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Thank you very much and welcome all to this evening's meeting of the Transport, Passenger
Transport Liaison Group.
My name is Councillor Claire Fraser and welcome.
This evening, we have received apologies from Councillor Cooper and apologies for lateness
have been received from David Wilby as well, who will join us in the meeting and we will
just any items on the agenda. Apologies, David Wilby is a full apology for absence. Apologies for that.
No problem noted. So yeah, just to repeat, apologies have been received this evening from David Wilby and Councillor Leonie Cooper.
Members of the group will now call your name in order of those who are attending from the council side or councilor side, should I say, for introduction.
So, Councillor Yates.
Hi, good evening everyone. I'm Jenny Yates. I'm the cabinet member for Transport in Wandsworth.
Thank you. And Councillor Hamilton.
Hi, good evening everyone. My name is Daniel Hamilton, Councillor for Ballum and Conservative Spexman for Transport.
Lovely, thank you. And we are joined this evening by a number of different attendees based around the council.
I'm from external organisations, so I'd just ask that if we come to your item, if you can just say your name
and your organisation when we come to you, please.
I think that that's easiest for anyone
who might be watching.
So just to begin with, for the formal items on the agenda,
minutes of the last meeting of the group
were held on the 17th of March.
Please can I take those minutes as agreed?
Agreed.
Lovely, thank you very much.
Agenda item two, do we have any declarations of interest?
Okay, thank you very much. So yes, so Agenda Item 3, we were due to have an update on the safe spaces at Clapham Junction.
The person who is due to join us is not here, but as we noted on a future item, a future meeting of this group, there will be a question and answer session with local police.
So a suggestion has been received that we roll that item into that discussion.
There's a lot of crossover indeed, you know, a lot of similar issues.
And that one, is that okay for people?
Excellent.
Okay.
Thank you very much.
So yeah, so just for anyone who may be watching, yeah, the item on safe space at Clapham Junction will be rolled into the next meeting of which we do periodic check -ins with the police team on items of safety.
so we will include that as part of it but the safe spaces at Capam Junkin has been discussed
at the last meeting of this group and is still very much in operation. So moving on to agenda
item four we are starting off with an update. Sorry Mr Tiddley before I move on. Yes Councillor
I was just thinking that Timothy's on the call. I just wondered if there was then therefore
anything that needed to be raised with the BPT and item three at all. Timothy, over to you. Tim
please, is that about the safe space at Cap 'n Junction? Yes, that was it. Who was it you were
supposed to have on the meeting today? Sorry, it was Davina. Okay because my contacts for that is
Kira, she's doing quite a lot of work, especially with the volunteers for the council, but also
Steve Hales from Met Police. So the reviews we have is with them because it's one of those,
us as BTP, we can't resource it every week. So we're quite reliant on the Met taking the lead
on it because it's outside the station and we just assist when we can and the volunteers are
happening every week. So unfortunately, regards to how long the safe space is going or when it's
happening or if it's successful or not. Unfortunately, I can't really answer those because I'm not
I don't not there every week, unfortunately. So I don't quite know. It'll be more for the
Met Police or for Keira to give an update, I'm afraid. I can't really say much more about
that.
No problem at all understood. But we're grateful that you're able to join us this evening,
Tim. Michael?
Yes, just a request, maybe Timothy, after the meeting, you can send me Steve's details
and we can see if he can attend the next meeting as well just to provide kind of the view from
the Met Police.
Yeah, that's fine. I can. And yeah, do you guys know, Kiera, from Wandsworth Council,
I'll see if I can get her along as well, or at least see if she can attend.
Yeah, I'll look into that.
Yeah, thank you. And it's always useful to have a few contacts because yeah, when it
comes to items, yeah, as you'll understand, if it comes to the police, obviously, the
Don't always align and obviously shift patterns and things so it's always good to have a few options there. So thank you
very much on that one.
Okay, so I'm going to return return to the agenda now agenda item three four sorry is on the underground
So I'm going to move to James
My name is James Picard I work for the local communities and partnerships team at TFL
So
So during our last meeting we discussed we touch briefly on step free access schemes
and the announcement we made last year around some feasibility studies on Northern Line
particularly at Tooting Broadway, I believe it was and yes, Tooting Broadway and just
further south slightly into Merton at Collierswood.
So at that meeting, we did talk about bringing someone from the London Underground team along
with me to this meeting to give more of a wider update on the Step 3 Access programme.
Unfortunately, at this point, there's not been a lot going on at the moment, but we're
hopeful that the Step 3 Access feasibility study should be completed by the time the
next meeting takes place in September. So I've asked my colleague in that team to come
on to that meeting in September and provide a full update on that. He has given me some
notes in the interim though so I'll be able to go through those. So basically in terms
of the shooting broadway step three feasibility study, the study is identifying options for
installing lifts to make the station step three and we'll select a single preferred
option study. We will also assess the outline construction methodology and provide an indicative
cost and program for the work. It should have more details, as I said, by the next meeting
in September, where I will be joined by the London Underground team. And then it is also
important to note that any scheme will be very expensive and destructive to implement
my own to the station's difficult configuration. It will almost certainly require a two -stage
lift arrangement to get between the ticket hall and the platform level. The depth and
the location being on a major road junction as well adds to the complexity. Decision with
progress with the scheme to the next stage, concept design will be taken once TFL's business
plan has been finalized as well, which will in turn be dependent upon the outcome of the
comprehensive spending review. Identifying sources of significant third party funding
would also assist with prioritisation for the scheme. We do know that Hooton Broadway
is an important station to make Step 3 as its high benefits and footfall serves as an
obviously important hospital nearby. The scheme will be expensive. It's important to note
that and would have to be obviously traded off against the delivery of potential schemes
with a significant number of which would be significantly smaller or cheaper but to actually
get through to the end stage. So that's Tooting Broadway. We also are as well talking, believe
it or not, about the next charge of feasibility studies at this moment in time. So we have
the engagement with some officers and that potentially will look to add a feasibility
study towards East Putney, but that is, it's got a month's worth of work before we can get to that
stage. Unfortunately, it was to whether or not that we can get a feasibility study. So hopefully,
my colleague will be able to update again on that at September meeting. But if there's any further
questions, I'll take them now. Yeah, I had one, Jake, and thanks very much for that update. I
The local MP, Dr Rosanna is very keen on this. I remember a previous meeting, excuse me, you've mentioned that ultimately you'd be the choice between Tuting Broadway and Collier's Wood and is Collier's Wood still being considered in this or is it now moved to the phase of feasibility for Tuting Broadway?
So both those stations are getting feasibility studies at which point after that we'll have
further discussions with yourselves and see which one would probably be taken forward.
I believe it would be a case of one or the other as far as I'm aware.
But hopefully my colleague David who works in the underground scene will be able to support
me on the next meeting and give a full and proper update on how that process is managed.
Thank you very much for clarifying.
And if there are any other questions on that one, David.
Yeah, hi, sorry, I should have introduced myself.
I don't think I did.
So David Tiddley, the Head Transport Strategy for Wandsworth Council.
James, I was just a quick query about Ballym station.
It's another deep Northern Lion station and I wouldn't expect we would get lifts at that
as well.
but I just wonder if there's ever been any work done that even if it's just very high level.
And I mentioned it just because the railway station, it has an interchange with the railway
there and the railway station is accessible with lifts. I haven't been made aware of anything at
Ballum, but I can take that back and speak to Joel Adams, I think you've met before and see whether
or not any work's been done on that previously. Whether we have any plans to sort of look at it
again in the next tranche. I know that he's part of me, I think we've talked about in the past and you know we talked about the complexities involved in that and that's being considered for the next tranche but whether or not there's planning ahead for further tranches beyond that I'm not sure so let me take that one away and I'll come back to you.
Thank you. Any more questions on step three?
Thank you. And James, are there any other points on your underground item or is that the main thing?
I don't have anything else at this point, no. I'm happy to take any of the questions.
No, and that's fine. I just wanted to double check. So I guess at this point, does anyone else have any other points to raise?
I don't think I do on the underground.
Okay, I'm going to take that as a note, but yeah, thank you very much James and I know,
yeah, there'll be a lot of interest in that feasibility study when it's ready and you've
got any further updates on that, so thank you very much. Okay, the next item we've got are buses
and there are quite, there are a few different ones that I've noticed. We have the 315 covered
in two areas this evening we've kind of put the 315 down under this but also as
any OB but I'm going to suggest that items on the 315 but also the G1 which
has been causing quite a bit of concern locally are covered under this item so
if you can under the next item on item five got buses which is extension of
315 bus quality service indicators monitoring of several routes but then
also include the G1 and include all items on buses together rather than come back to
them at the end if that's alright.
Yeah sure so for the first item 315 into Springfield Hospital so I'm pleased to say obviously from
the 5th of May Saturday 5th of May we made changes to two bus routes following the redevelopment
of Springfield University Hospital, including the extension of the 315 from its current terminus
at Ballum to the Springfield University Hospital. So we did consult on this scheme previously back
in spring 2023. So this is with the aim of better serving the mental health facilities and the new
housing development around the Springfield Hospital. He works to improve the road network
Serving the development are now complete, obviously, so it means the extension can now
take place.
Buses will continue now to operate in both directions via Ballin High Road, Tooting Beck,
Trinity Road, Grand Bony Road and Springfield Drive.
There were some small changes to where the bus stops in the vicinity of Ballin Station.
Buses towards Springfield Hospital now serve bus stop A at Ballin Station, which is currently
the first stop towards West Norwood.
Customers travelling west to West Norwood should use bus stop B on Ballam High Road
instead of bus stop A or bus stop D on Ballam High Road.
About a 210 metre walk away.
Buses will continue to operate every 20 minutes all day Monday to Saturday and every 30 minutes
during the evenings and all day on Sunday.
So we will be also able to return the G1 which operates between Battersea, Shaftesbury Estate
and Streatham Green Lane to the hospital grounds. Buses on the route have operated directly
between, directly along Burntwood Lane instead of entering the hospital sign for extended
period whilst the redevelopment work has taken place. Buses will follow the correct routing
along Burntwood Lane before serving Springfield Drive via Lappage Drive and Bicknell Way before
returning to Springfield Drive and Burntwood Lane. So buses will serve a bus stop which
operates in both directions on the hospital grounds. The buses on the G1 route will continue
to serve all bus stops on their current route. So as part of this we are continuously reviewing
our service levels to reflect customer demand and the value for money. So as part of the
work. We also identified that we're running more buses on the G1 route than is required
to meet the current and expected demand at certain times. So we therefore reduced the
daytime frequencies on the route to operate every 20 minutes instead of every 15 minutes
until 7 o 'clock Monday to Saturday. No change to frequency at other times. We'll keep the
changes under close review, obviously, as we always do, and ensure that demand is continued
to be met. Flexible nature of the bus network means we can make changes to frequency and
make adjustments at relatively short notice if required. So we've obviously emailed all
the customers that we have details for on both routes and advised other stakeholders
locally about the changes that have taken place and bus stop purposes have been updated
as well. Obviously we're encouraging people to visit our website and plan or visit the TfL Go app.
That's the update on that. Thank you, it was a bit of a mega update then on 315 and G1,
which I knew would have some questions so move to Councillor Yates. Yeah James, thanks very
much for the update. I just wondered if so far, I know it's very early days, you've got any
information on how it's working, having that extension to the 315, you know, going
along Glen Burnie Road. I mean, obviously, that's, you know, designed to serve
residents, totally appreciate there was the consultation, but, you know, concerns
have been raised with me about the bus going along that residential road and
obviously it's a very congested area there with a lot of traffic. So, just
wondered if there's any sort of monitoring from TfL and how TfL thinks it's going so far?
Sure, so as part of the update I spoke to our performance team as well as our planning team,
bus planning team and both of them which haven't had any feedback directly to themselves yet as of
as yet regarding any concerns about the route. I'm interested to hear if you have received that
feedback from from other stakeholders. And, you know, if there are issues, then we can
look into see what can be done, obviously. So if you're getting reports, please do bring
them over to me and I'll make sure they get investigated.
Just to be clear, James, I haven't had any reports since the extension started, it was
concerns that were raised about the, you know, change to the route. So yeah, it'd be good,
you know, maybe at the next meeting, if you do have any information from the companies, the drivers,
you know, about how it's working on that road, that would be really useful to hear. And then
secondly, on the G1, although I'm sure Councillor Hamilton wants to raise this as well. There have
been a lot of concerns raised about the reduction in the service. And I appreciate that, you know,
was due to what TfL, looking at the data but in particular there's a lot of older residents who
use that bus to get to the tube and get to the hospital and it's not serving, you know, on the
route it runs it's not served in Fersdown by other routes so they are very dependent on that bus
so there is a lot of local concern. Okay thank you for noting that and we take that into consideration
obviously and I will report that feedback back to bus planning team. Obviously we do continue to
monitor the performance of buses and by making this change now as I understand it the reliability
should improve with the service with the gaps being not quite as long between buses due to
the traffic on the area. So yeah, I'll take that feedback on board and obviously pass it on to the
to those in the positions of power. But I will, yeah, unfortunately, you know, this is a situation
we can monitor and change if we need to at short notice. So obviously, if there is a greater demand,
we'll continue to monitor that and make changes if we need to. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to
to Councillor Hamilton and then David Tiddley. No thank you and thank you also to Councillor Yates
raising the point as well. I think it's, and thank you also Mr Pickard for your updates that you
provided on the G1. It was interesting to hear you say that you'd contacted those who would be,
were customers. I presume those are only people whose email addresses will be associated with
their Oyster cards or cash cards. I think it's a great idea to do that. I think I received the
email myself, but I would question given that the G1 is a bus that is, as far as I can see,
generally designed to serve St. George's Hospital, where there are a lot of the people who do
rely on it to get to and from appointments will have received that email, given they
generally are slightly older in terms of demographic. That's just a point to consider. I suppose
the problem I have with the G1 is notwithstanding the updates that we've had recently, is this
does seem to be a problem now that I've been hearing about from residents for, I
think, much the last last four years. And when I went through the punctuality
statistics this evening, I was surprised to see, bluntly, that it performs
comparatively well compared to some other routes in the borough because
certainly the waiting times that I've seen and the level of complaints
that I've received about the G1 would suggest that there is a
pretty substantial problem in terms of punctuality. And given
the importance of this route, particularly that it is more vulnerable people, generally
an older demographic that do rely upon it, I would urge that TfL do some serious thinking
about making sure this is properly resourced, that punctuality issues, even where they might
only be slight, are ironed out, because I say it is a particularly vulnerable demographic
that do use this service. So any efforts that you could make on that front would be hugely
appreciated.
Yes, absolutely. Thank you. I'm sorry to hear that that has been a difficult route in recent
times. I will certainly pass that feedback on to our operator and make sure the performance
team are picking that up with them as well. Obviously, I did not, I'm not entirely sure
how it works, but I'm told that by making the service slightly less frequent, it will
be able to make it more reliable and more clear for residents when they can expect a
service to turn up. So I will pass that feedback on there. So thank you very much.
Thank you. And just before I come to David, on that point, to gain clarity, is that the
main driver in this making this decision that is reducing, is extending that time to basically
to improve the punctuality? Is that what the tweak has been for?
Yes, that's my understanding of it. Obviously it reflects the demands as well that we are
passenger counts as I've seen, but both factors are taken into consideration when making a
decision like that. Thank you. David Tidley.
Thanks, a lot of questions back on the 315. I thought I would just go onto the TfL website
and just check that it was running and consistent and notice that it actually, there's no sign
of it at all between Ballum and Springfield Hospital. It's almost as if the web pages
haven't been updated, James. The timetable information just, it's just not there.
Okay, I will check in.
Unless I'm looking at the wrong pages, but I don't think I am.
Let me just see. I do see what you mean. Yes. Let me speak to, I'll take that one Wayne and I'll be updated tomorrow.
Thank you for raising it David.
Okay, yeah, I suspect on both the 315 and the G1 will be welcome updates or have those on the agenda for next time.
And I think especially with let's keep them on there, both in terms of kind of any feedback we'll get on the route change on them,
especially around Glen Burnie for the 315.
and then for the G1 just in terms of whether it has you know impacted
performance and any you know feedback we're getting locally as well. Was there
anybody else who went to come along either of those routes? No. Okay next we
have got the bus quality service indicators. I don't know if anyone had
any points. I'm just going to leave it open for a minute and then if anyone's got any points they
want to raise specifically on those ones do put up your hands. Okay, Councillor Hamilton,
and give us a minute to flick and look at them. No, thank you very much. Next general question,
which I've been asked to to perform from Councillor Locker, just to get a bit of a general
comment about the performances of buses in Putney, particularly given that I know that
past meetings of this group we discussed significant delays along Putney High
Street through to Roehampton so have any particular steps been taken recently to
improve punctuality on those routes? I know it's been under the microscope before.
Do you have any specific routes in mind when you say that I appreciate that?
Sure, I would have to dig them out on the phone.
And they take the point that there are quite a few routes that go through Putney.
I can, I'll come back to you, that's okay, I can, I can, Councillor Yates wants to jump in now, I can, I can look up the exact numbers.
Yeah that's fine, I just wanted to be precise because obviously there are quite a few and Putney is a large area and
Councillor Yates may well be about to talk about a route in Putney, so I'll move to Councillor Yates.
Yeah thank you James, I had two questions. In terms of the data, is there anything you would sort of draw our attention to
in terms of what it's telling us.
And then I also wondered,
this is useful data,
but complaints I'm getting at the moment are about,
well, I've been having for a long time,
about the 85 terminating unexpectedly
at the Putney Heath bus stand.
That's a very long running complaint.
And I know that happens
because of the delays on the High Street.
I've also been getting complaints recently
about the 170 curtailing at the Putney Heath Bus Stand which I must say did really surprise me
because that the 170 doesn't go down the high street so but obviously this data doesn't give
you data on curtailments. I guess TfL would hold that data is it would it be possible in future to
get data on early curtailments, particularly of those routes?
So for Councillor Hamilton first, yes, so in terms of Putney, we have had a lot of discussions
with the borough about this. And we are keeping things under review. Obviously, the recent
works, well, the works that was completed at the start of the year have made things
slightly better in terms of performance, I believe. But there are still issues there
and we've had a few meetings about how we can move forward with improving things on
Punny High Street. So we'll certainly continue to have those discussions. In terms of the
So basically, the numbers to look out on the QSI feedback is the excess wait time, minutes
section once highlighted.
And my understanding is that pretty much our aim is to keep that around one, so it will
be better than that or less than that.
So anything above that is performing below what we would like it to.
So there are quite a few services on there obviously that are above that aim.
And obviously those will be subject to various kinds of reliability schemes and things like that,
that our performance team are looking into improving with the operators.
In terms of the 85 and the 170, I haven't heard any that happening personally, I can
certainly take that back and speak to Jeff's team, Jeff Hobbs's team and the Phil Goodhouse
team seems to see what's going on with those services, Councillor, and come back to you
on those because that shouldn't be happening.
so did you want to come back on that point oh yes please no thanks very much James yeah no I think
it would be helpful because the thing is that when you look at the figures I mean if the aim
is for it not to be more than one you know on the 85 it's only 1 .1 and then on the 170 it's 1 .3
I mean you've got a much bigger wait time on the 265 which is another
the Southampton Putney bus, but that's, you know, I'm more aware of, I'm aware of the
factors around that. It just seems a bit odd that the wait time so low on the 85 and the
170 when I get these reports of the curtailment. So I'm wondering if the data isn't really
picking that up. I suppose it's useful to know how many times those buses curtail in
in a day or a week, but I don't know what the data available is.
I don't know if we hold that data. I will take that back and ask for a cocktail minutes report for you.
I've just noticed that the actual details that you have in the minutes for the meeting are actually from the previous quarter.
So we actually have more up to date numbers in the 85 and there is actually 0 .9 now.
and the one as is the 170 so that's saying it's even better than what it's
saying from the previous quarter so that's interesting but as I say I'll
take that feedback away and speak with those relevant teams to see what's going
on. Thank you. Michael might want to come in. Just to check, is your point in relation to this?
That point before I move on to Councillor Hamilton. Yes indeed
Malcolm Claridge bus priority and commercial manager for first bus of
London as we are now since our sale a little while ago yes the 85 is much
improved I think I've mentioned it before I know David Tiddley and Sidonie
all know that I don't actually like that chart that you've got there because it
doesn't make much sense and the QSI figure is taken from certain points
along the route that the buses go past and one of those QSI points for the 85 is Putley
Bridge station and I can tell you over the last month it's currently operating at naught
point let me find it let me find it before I quote out quote myself it's currently operating
at naught point nine six against one so it's better than it should be across the whole
Thank you very much. Before that, Councillor Hamilton, I'm going to continue and then back
to Councillor Yates.
Yeah, it's just a request in relation to the curtailments point that Councillor Yates has
already mentioned, and this will be, I think, particularly dear to the hearts of many councillors
who rely on these services as well late in the evening, but there does seem to be a pattern
curtailments of the 270 and 77 buses which are supposed to run on further but they tend to
terminate quite often at Tooting Broadway station so be interested in the in understanding the
curtailments on those as well. I can see James nodding so you can add that to
Sorry I'm going to take that away as well.
Yeah, thank you. And do you feel free if you get that before I meet you, feel free to send to Michael Flowers and he can circulate that and don't feel it has to kind of wait until these meetings, because Michael can send those those round, because I know yeah, if there is an answer or response and I know counselors will be interested in receiving. Thanks Michael for confirming.
Catherine Yeate. Yeah Malcolm thank you very much for that update that's good news about the 85.
You mentioned that you didn't think this was the most helpful data I just wondered why that is?
Basically we use a different set of figures which is based on what we get paid and what
bonuses we earn. I think I've explained it to this group before is that the better the bus
service the more money we earn out of TFL so if we operate if for instance the
target is one and we operate below one we get a bonus if we operate above one
we get fine in simplicity so it's in our interests to make the routes as best we
can even given the current traffic conditions which have got which to be
Well that's great to hear Malcolm, and I guess can you help us on curtailment data?
Because presumably, I mean, you're a bus service provider, so just first Bus London presumably
must record when buses terminate early.
Yes we do, not my department anymore unfortunately, but I know everything's registered with TfL
anyway so I'm not sure if James has got a quicker way to access it or I have so I can certainly get it.
I imagine it's with the same thing that we get the QSI data through so I'll check with them
following this meeting. Thank you. So Malcolm could it be the case and then I pose the question
not not and I don't genuinely don't the answer that in order to to keep that that figure below
one that the buses are stopping early in order to maintain that target could it be that a bus
terminates and therefore it's recorded as having you know and that that bonus comes through
so it would it would be it would recall a lot higher figure than the 0 .97 that is currently
operating at because it wouldn't be covering the QSI point so as they every
QSI point and not necessarily on a timetable but the 85's run I think is
every eight to ten minutes in the morning so it will be every ten minutes
there will be a bus over and over and over that that's how it's supposed to
work and that's how it's always supposed to work but like I say that proves
difficult in certain circumstances and that's quite right across all boroughs of London, not necessarily just Wandsworth.
Understood, yeah, and very quickly. Okay, some more hands have gone up, so I'm going to go to David Tiddley, then back to Councillor Yates.
I was just going to suggest, Councillor, that perhaps by the time we get to the next committee, maybe between us, the Council and TfL,
can draft a little explanatory note of what the figures show and what they don't show.
Yeah, I can see some nodding heads on that one, so that sounds good.
And can you just explain again, what is the KSI point? And are you saying that if
curtailments happen, then this would improve the excess wait time data?
No, no, what happens at QSI is the quality of service indicator
along every single bus route at certain bus stops not all bus stops is is a
timing point for one of the better description and the buses must pass that
timing point ten minutes apart which gives you your data of the excess
waiting time so that if you're standing there for ten minutes and you wait 11
that's one minute excess waiting time so on that on that horrible list that I
don't like it does actually it's all lost it now it does tell you how many
excess minutes that you're waiting for a bus so in some cases it's like 1 .5
and others it's six and sevens. Okay thank you but what what is the impact
then if if the buses are just curtailing to avoid congestion? It doesn't
hit all the timing points. So I know Green Man at Putney is one, I think South Circular Road
is another and then the next one is Putney Bridge. So it was actually by Catallion at
Green Man that's two points that are missing. And then how would that alter the data?
It would alter the data because there would be a longer gap. If you could tail a bus instead of a
every 10 minutes if you could tell one the next bus you're going to wait 20 minutes.
Okay so then it would feed through into increased excess wait time.
Yeah okay thank you. That's without getting too technical because sometimes I don't even
expect I don't understand it myself and I've been doing this for 40 years so. Thank you.
Thank you. Were there any other questions on routes or stats from the service indicators at all?
We've covered a few. Okay, well, thanks for that and thanks, James and Malcolm for that.
The next two items I'll just pause in between for kind of anyone to see because the next one we've got is monitoring of bus routes 14 4 3 0and 4 3 6.
And so I don't know if anyone's got any points. We've we've included them specifically for reason.
And I'm not clear who Michael.
Thank you. I think they've been on the agenda for the last few meetings.
so I carried over but if people feel they've now been addressed from those meetings I can remove that from the next agenda.
Obviously we've got the 315 and G1 as a kind of monitoring one, we've now got the quality of service indicators back because they were, I think, unavailable for a while.
Yeah I think for when the TfL data was down. Okay so I'll pause there for 14, 430 and 436.
I have checked in with our performance team as a result of this being on the agenda and generally
on those routes performance over the last few periods has been good in terms of reliability.
We do continue to monitor them.
The 430 does have a reliability schedule in place and we're working to carry out full
schedule optimization review on it shortly.
Reliability schedule in place has reduced the frequency by one and a half minutes to
add an additional time to the schedule, which helps prevent overall larger gaps in the service
when issues on the network do occur.
So that's that's the update I'm getting at this point on those routes. But yeah, I'd say happy to take any questions.
Thank you. I do think that was a similar report to on those routes that we received last time. So I suspect and
Michael we can probably remove that one unless in the interim they become problems
but unless they're specifically raised and become kind of hot routes a bit like the 315 and G1R at the moment I
suspect, let's remove those, but thank you for the update, James. So I'll move to the
39, 93 and 493, all the threes, which I think are going to be quite similar because we've
had to update recurring issues, or recurring updates on those ones. But I'll let you, James,
as you've probably gone away and sought an update, do you give us an update on what on
the latest?
James Day Yeah, it is very similar to last time, just
say that the 39 and the 93 performance has generally been good. The 403 does struggle
with reliability and we're keeping under further review for where we can potentially put a
reliability schedule in place. So yeah that's basically it but again if there's any questions
please let me know. Great thank you. Are there any questions? Council Yates. Yes it's interesting
that you know that the buses you've mentioned that James that is still you
know need a traditional reliability message they're both Putney buses the
430 and 493 and so maybe what we should do is you know while getting rid of
these two agenda items that focus on those routes we should have an agenda
item on Putney bus routes because I think that is the area of the borough
that does have the most issues with bus reliability. Yeah, I think that'd be fair to say. And yeah,
happy to talk about that further in the next meeting. Great, thanks. Thanks. I just will note
that for what the minutes, Michael, and just in terms of the agenda for the next one. And just,
James, thank you very much for your TfL updates. Appreciated. You're welcome to stay for the next item equally, because I think we've covered all your bits, but equally if you'd like to leave, that's understandable as well. But just thank you very much for your updates this evening.
No problem. Thanks very much, everybody. Bye. Thank you, Ash.
Bye.
Thank you. Moving on now to agenda item six, we have got trains and overgrams. So I think
there'll be a few people will turn to for updates on these. So as ever, just please
do just introduce yourself at the start. So under the first item, we have access for all
and the second entrance at Wandsworth Town Station.
Thank you, Councillor Fraser and hi everyone, I'm Jack Watney, Senior Public Affairs Manager
at Network Rail for the Wessex route.
For ones of the town first, I just want to say
it was a pleasure to meet Councillor Yates,
David and Céline last month on site with Flora Anderson.
I think it was probably a bit of an overdue meeting
just to have it on site so we can discuss
the scheme at large.
So kind of where we're at,
and it's pretty similar to what we shared last month.
So we're kind of continuing to finalise the options
for the operational impact of delivery
and our final pricing programme for delivery of the scheme,
which will include both aspects.
Once that's kind of finalised,
we'll have a further conversation
the Department of Transport where we'll basically seek to get the contract awarded for delivery
and I'll continue to keep the council on that. One of the takeaways from our
meeting last month was our interface with some of the highways project and David Sedonia, I had
heard from the Access 14 that they had requested a meeting just to kind of discuss the interface
between the hall. I just want to confirm that's kind of taking place or is set up.
Yep, it's set up, we're meeting on Thursday.
Perfect. Lovely. And then, so Councillor Yates, I think we've been on that email chain, I think Fleur had sent back a few suggestions for a follow up meeting in July, and I think there was a few dates sent around, so hopefully I'll be happy to set up a meeting for that in July, and then obviously provide updates as they become, but that's where we kind of are with the project at the moment.
Thanks very much, Jack. Councillor Yates.
Yes, thank you very much for that really helpful visit down there. It was really
instructive and gave me much better understanding of the issues and
how it's going to move forward and yeah I'll get back to you ASAP on the follow -up
updates. Thank you. Thank you. Were there any other questions about the second
entrance at all? No, I did see the picture on Bloor Anderson Stritter so it looked
and that's visit. Okay so no other questions on Wonside Town Station. The next one we have
under this is the second entrance to Queenstown Road Station. Yeah thank you, I think I mentioned
this to Michael in my email, I did want to offer an apology to the group here, I know Queenstown Road
second entrance has come up a few times and it did take me by surprise when the project manager
with the scheme and said the works had started. So works are on site at Queenstown Road to build
the second entrance and they're currently aiming to be completed now by mid -June. I have asked for
a more formal kind of completion date which I can feed back to the group. I'm just waiting for an
actual date that I can share with you all and once I have that I'll send a further update to
the local war councils and the group when it's come.
It's great to see that work has started. Were there any other questions on Queenstown Road?
No? Excellent. So, the final point was on step three access at Wandsworth.
It's just Wandsworth train stations. Is that Wandsworth train or Wandsworth Sound?
Sorry, that's just apologies. Yes at the last meeting. I think it was kind of a general request just to see
What are the step free access projects might be in the pipeline across the entire borough?
So I kept it separate on the agenda because I think the access for all and second entrance are very much ones with town
But there was a request
I'll reword that better if it's on the next time.
No, no, no, it's fine.
I guess yeah are there any other stations to consider for step three because Ballen has a lift.
So in terms of what ones of town is certainly the main one in the borough of Sedonia,
I might ask if I'm not too close to where Battersea is at the minute just because it's slightly outside
of my purview, but I mean more broadly in terms of on the mainline station.
So what you're kind of looking at at the minute is that Network Rail has entered its
latest control period, Control Period 7.
We entered that in April of last year.
And in May of last year, the government announced 50 stations nationwide for
nominations for the next round of the Access for All project.
Network Rail in itself is only funded to provide, sort of to maintain and renew the
at Renout Railway and we require enhancement funding which is confirmed by the DFT to liberalise
schemes. So of those 50 stations nationwide we're currently undertaking kind of feasibility,
desktop feasibility, the studies to assess constructability in passenger use.
Do you correct me if I'm wrong? David, I wasn't aware of any CP7 nominations in the borough of
Wandsworth in itself. I think probably the closest is Rains Park potentially that was nominated.
But yeah, so I think Monsworth Town, there's certainly one from the CP6 that we're looking for
and the apologies, I can't give it more specific, I'm happy to write as to where that might be.
No, that's fine and as I understand it the control period is everyone for five years
is that? Yes, that's correct, so this one is 2024 to 2029.
So then in 2029 is when we would, if there were any potentially and I'm not saying that there
be but that's when it would start to kind of appear in that next batch from 2029 onwards.
Yeah, so we are waiting for a firmware update from the Department of Transport about what the
CP7 AFA scheme looks like. So we're obviously doing these feasibility works just to kind of
understand, you know, what's possible on these sites. I think the SWR network itself has about
eight. I don't think there's, we haven't necessarily seen what CP AFA looks like.
So we would obviously, not that there hasn't been a confirmation there'd be otherwise, but
I think once we haven't necessarily said oh CPA, this is going to look like this.
Obviously the government itself with sort of the nationalization of the railway doesn't
necessarily change our commitment to accessibility, but it does probably change the format a little
bit and how the railway operates with local stakeholders and you know you have the likes
David Wilby who no doubt will obviously be closer to that time looking to work with councils to try
and get that third party funding in, as is the case at ones of town and other places,
and sort of drive accessibility schemes. So I don't necessarily know what CP8 AFA looked like,
fingers crossed it will look similar to CP6, CP7 and number 4, where in the run up to CP8 we start
to obviously work with local stakeholders to identify what schemes would be possible in any
borough or council area and how we can potentially deliver an enhancement scheme to make it accessible.
Thanks very much, that's really helpful. Were there any other questions for Jack or any of those groups?
No, OK. So the final point on this one, not for Jack, but is on Masterizing, which is assistance dog cards for South Western Railway.
without David here, well David will be here, sorry we were a call full of Davids,
I'm not sure that we have anything to note on that one, do we? So it might
all be the case if, oh sorry Michael I can see you've unmuted. No I was just going to say I think we
added it as kind of a good news story, kind of the company looking at ways to
improve I think kind of communication on what members of the public should and
do around guide dogs and things like which ones can be petted or left. I think it's
seen from an accessibility perspective seeing it on the news I think was quite a good one to share.
No and definitely yeah it's nice to have a good news stories as well as kind of
things that we're checking in on as well. So thank you so I think that's all of our items
under rail unless anyone has got anything else they don't feel that's been covered.
No? Okay, well that's fine. The next item was AB. I rolled under this item was 315 and the G1 which we rolled into that bus one. I don't know if anyone else had any other business?
No? I see you shaking your pants. Okay. And the next meeting day. Now I feel that's after the summer holidays. Now am I right in thinking that Michael?
Yes, I think it's towards the September period.
So we've got a bit of a break now because we've had a couple quite close together.
And so I guess in that interim period and thinking I did mention to James in his TFL update,
if there's any of that information that comes through, especially on that bus curtailment.
But Jack, Yvonne and worth mentioning to David, if there are any updates that kind of pertain to the group.
and Jack I know you would do that anyway from a Network Rail perspective and you
update us but please don't feel free, please don't feel you have to wait until
September for that obviously we can cover that in the meeting but if there's
something that'd be of interest to councillors or members here then
do feel free to share and Michael will circulate that meeting date but
yeah that's I think that's the first time I've said this that you know I'll
see you after the summer holidays for a meeting which is nice but I'm just
checking in at that final point then no one else has anything to add.
No? Okay well with that I'll just say well thank you very much for your time this evening and
and enjoy what's left your evenings and the sunny weather this week. Thank you, bye.