Grants Overview and Scrutiny Sub-Committee - Wednesday 30 April 2025, 7:00pm - Wandsworth Council Webcasting

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Great.
Welcome everyone to this meeting.
My name is Councillor Steve Worrall, Deputy Chair of the Grants Overview and Scrutiny
Subcommittee.
That's a mouthful.
Unfortunately, Councillor Ambash is unable to attend this meeting, and it's proposed
that I chair this meeting in this absence.
Is everybody in agreement?
Great.
Thank you.
What I'd like you to do is just go around and ask everybody to introduce themselves,
starting with Jack.
Hello.
I'm counselor Jack real Chris counselor in Trinity would
Know Marshall
Daniel Hamilton conservative
Counselor Lindsay hedges of Ballin Ward and opposition spokesperson for grants. Thank you
Great. Thank you everyone. We've received apologies for absence from counsel and bash and
And we are just waiting for Councillor Rigby to come, so I presume she's running late.
So moving on, we have offices present and I'm going to ask the offices to introduce
themselves as they actually address the papers tonight.
So the first issue on the agenda is any declarations either of pecuniary or other vegetable or
non -registable interests?
Great, thank you everyone.

1 Declaration of Interests

The first item on the agenda then is the minutes of the last meeting.

2 Minutes - 29th January 2025

Does the Committee agree that the minutes of the previous meeting of the 29th of January
2025 can be signed as the correct record?
Great.
Thank you.
Moving on to the next item then.
It's a paper on the Victory in Europe VE Day anniversary grant fund for community organizations,

3 Victory in Europe (VE) Day 80th Anniversary Grant Fund for Community Organisations (Paper No. 25-142)

paper 25142.
We have Ben Threadgold who will be talking to the paper. Ben is actually
underlined so Ben if I can hand over to you. Thank you very much and good evening
everyone hoping everyone can hear me okay. My name is Ben Threadgold. I'm the head of
strategic projects and I've been leading on the coordination of our work leading
up to VEE Day anniversary celebrations next week, the 80th anniversary.
Hopefully the paper is reasonably self -explanatory. I apologise that it was a little bit late, but it was due to the speed at which we were trying to turn around the applications in quite short order.
It's also the reason why it was originally established through an SO83.
to make sure that we tried to give community groups as much time as possible to put their
bids in and to get the decisions back to them so they could then make arrangements to put
things in place, probably this weekend for the vast majority of them.
In total we had 14 applications, several of those unfortunately weren't editable and so
what we have is made decisions on nine of those to receive a total of around just under
£5 ,000 funding going to support activities going on across the borough.
And as I say, probably very happy just to stop at that point and to take any questions
or expand on anything you'd like me to. Thank you.
Any questions? Councillor Graham.
Well, not questions. I think it's absolutely brilliant. I'm just so sad that more people
I may not have been aware of it because I think it was a pretty quick turnaround, but
I think it was very positive. Thank you.
Thank you, Councillor Graham. Any other questions from the committee?
Just one, Ben. Just very quickly, in terms of the events that have been awarded, how
cancer Graham's points about people knowing of the events just wondering
what mechanisms are used to make people aware that these things are happening
so as a whole we've been communicating to make people aware of where there are
street parties where there's other events and activities and so on they're
taking place across the bar over the coming week whether that be things we
funded or indeed things that we haven't but we've been made aware of we've also
asked each of the applicants to make clear how they are going to promote their events because
in a lot of cases this is directly targeted for specific areas. Part of the intention was to say
you know where people might not be able to attend a street party for example arranged
just locally that these community groups would then be promoting their own activities locally
and a lot of them have already been working with other community groups talking to you know leaflet
drops within the local area and so on to make sure people are aware of it. What we've also
asked is that following the events people provide us with information about what happened
and any photos or other kind of summaries or whatever they might do and we've also asked
people if they'd like the Mayor to attend or someone else to let us know and some people
have taken us up on that and we're trying to make sure that obviously the Mayor is able
to get around to as many places as possible.
Great, thank you very much.
So in terms of the paper, the paper is here for information.
Is the paper noted?
Great, thank you very much.
The next paper is then paper 25143, the Wandsworth Borough Sanctuary Community Fund.
I'm going to ask Mr. Hardy to speak to the paper.

4 Wandsworth Borough of Sanctuary Community Fund, Round 4 (Paper No. 25-143)

I'd also like to welcome two representatives here who helps with the process, and I'll
ask Mr. Hardy to actually explain their role within this as well.
Thank you, Chair.
So this is the fourth round of the Borough Sanctuary Grant Fund.
It was established in March 2023 for 200 ,000 pounds, and we've got about 111 ,000 pounds
left having previously funded eight projects.
In the paper before you, for our fourth round, we received eight applications worth about
about £82 ,000 and the recommendations are to fund five of those with a combined total
of £49 ,000. As the Chair mentioned, this round of funding
is different in that it's the first round where we've involved people with lived experience.
So I'd like to introduce Tatiana and Kostya. Yes, hello everyone. My name is Kostya. Nice
Nice to meet you.
Good evening.
My name is Tatiana Anisimova.
I'm glad to be here to help you.
So as part of our Borrower Sanctuary application, we got our accreditation last year.
We made a commitment that half of the people on the ones with migration board would be
people with lived experience, and Tatiana and Kostya and their colleague Hina, who unfortunately
can't make it tonight, are our first board members.
And so they're the first people involved in this application.
For each application, they've gone through it, and in the assessment summary you'll see
their comments.
And they're also here to take any questions on those comments from me tonight.
Just the last little bit of the paper is about a Refugee Week Grant Fund, which is we're
suggesting that with the remaining funds, which will be at least 29 ,000 pounds,
we launch a really short, sharp grant scheme for events during refugee week.
No more than 2 ,000 pounds per application.
And we brought that to you today just so we can get that out as quickly as possible.
Refugee week begins on the 16th of June, and the theme is community is a superpower.
are.
Great.
Thank you.
Before we move to each individual application, any questions from the Committee on the actual
report itself?
Okay.
Looks as if it's going to be quite speedy tonight, then.
Okay.
So if we move through each paper individually, and I'll ask Mr. Hardy to speak to each paper
as they come up.
So the first one is the Afghan and Central Asian Association.
Thank you, yes.
So this is an application for
essentially information sessions and workshops,
as well as one large community event.
The sessions would cover things like ESOL
and IT classes and community health.
The comments from the panel,
and again they're here to answer questions
if you have any from them, was they had concerns about the range of the project and the number
of things involved and the deliverability of it. In each of these applications I've
included where we went back with questions for clarification for the applicants. And
one of the things that flagged concerns for us about this application was that it did
not seem to be very tailored towards Wandsworth. Some of the wards they identified as having
the most number of sanctuary seekers in Wandsworth aren't the ones that we would identify as
being those and they also said they do things like they support they've
supported bridging hotels and once over the past 12 months we haven't had one
over the past 12 months and so I've no doubt that this is a good organization
generally and what they do but there doesn't seem to be a lot of tailoring
towards ones within the application which is why it's recommended that we
don't support this one any questions from the committee okay are we are we
The next one is Ace of Clubs, paper reference number 19.
So Ace of Clubs, their application is for £8 ,500 and it's to deliver four themed weeks with events
and these are during weeks that are relevant to sanctuary seekers. Their events would include
things like diverse meals, information displays and well -being in e -soil activities. The big thing
to point out about this application is that although 40 % of their expected
attendees would be ones with residents, which ties up with their existing
cohort, the organization is based in Lambeth and the activities would be
delivered in Lambeth. The panel thought that wasn't an issue and if you want
then Tatiana is able to talk to that a bit more, but given the availability of
of cross London grants from organizations like London Councils, the fact that this isn't
in Wandsworth, the officer's recommendation is not to support it.
Agreed.
Thank you.
Next paper then is Karras.
Thank you.
So Karras' application is for just under £10 ,000 and it's two parts.
The first is a Refugee Week event, so that's an event during Refugee Week to celebrate
sanctuary seekers and then to follow that up by creating a small team of people with
lived experience to create social media content and other digital content to challenge negative
perceptions about sanctuary seekers.
Panels comments around that were they liked the challenging negative perceptions element
And they liked the fact that it was going to help develop skills, especially around
digital and social media.
So the recommendation is to grant.
Any questions?
Can you switch your microphone on, please?
Thank you.
Just if you could clarify a little bit the methodology, because I noticed that you talk
about 30, some number less than half of, 100 attendees, 30 from refugee backgrounds.
But then if I look onto page 32, there's an application which has been turned down because
it's primarily, although there are some refugees accessing it, it's not primarily aimed at
refugees.
So I just wonder how these two match up.
They both seem to be sort of similar in that they're only getting a sort of smaller number
of refugees per se, but one has been gated and the other one's been blocked.
What's –
Sorry.
I haven't got the same page numbers as you.
Is that –
Oh, let me –
On page 32, is that Tooting Green's Kitchen?
Let me – I think it's –
It's on page 32.
For me, that's on page 32, and that's – yes, it's the – it is indeed the Tooting
community kitchen, overall, the last page, the project is not tailored towards sanctuary
seekers.
It's not clear what additional value.
I mean, there's a separate point there, but they've got 60 to 80 guests.
This is all guests, not just sanctuary seekers.
So there's some mixture of sanctuary seekers and not sanctuary seekers.
Just if you could just clarify a little bit.
So I know, of course, there's a point about the two -team community kitchen when we get
to it. The methodology is essentially we will agree to funding any element of a
project that supports sanctuary seekers from Wandsworth and if that's
proportional as long as they can prove it is you know we are definitely going
to support 40 % of like 40 % of our attendees will be sanctuary seekers from
Wandsworth we are willing to fund it up to 40%. For that latter application there
was no element of sanctuary seekers really in the application so there was no
evidence or suggestion that there would be any at all or so if if for example
they'd come to us and said I'm jumping ahead of it but we've done a survey and
we know that 20 % of our service users are sanctuary seekers we're applying for
20 % of our running costs that would have been fine
notwithstanding other issues.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Councillor Hitchens.
Thank you, Chair, and thank you, Mr Hardy, and also Tatiana, and I'm probably going to pronounce this incorrectly.
Koscha.
Koscha, yeah.
Did I get it right?
Thank you.
I think CARES is a really, like the paper says, it's a very well known organization to us and it's come through a few times on this committee.
And I really, really support everything they do.
But I guess my point here is we have awarded a number of grants to them through the borough of sanctuary fund.
And I just wanted to check, is there a cap on what we do or if an organization applies,
do we just keep awarding them if they come up
with a good business plan, basically?
Yes, we've never set a cap.
We wouldn't fund the same thing,
wouldn't overlap anything,
so we'd need to make sure there's a level of additionality,
and I said that in the,
we held two meet the funder events,
and we were very clear,
your application needs to show additionality.
But even in this paper, there's two applications
from the same organization.
As long as they're different projects,
they meet the criteria and we think they're actually good projects and there's no cap
on that.
We would, sorry, we have said if the fund is oversubscribed and if there's multiplications
from the same organization, chances are that would be the first one to go, but we're not
oversubscribed.
Thank you.
Council member Acos.
Just wondering if it's a successful project, which I hope it will be.
I wonder if it's a kind of model that the Council could learn from or perhaps adopt
in some of our work with the sanctuary.
It seems like it could be a project that you could do each year or around certain moments
throughout the year.
So perhaps just worth noting.
That sounds like a very useful and good suggestion.
I would ask Mr Hardy maybe to take it back for consideration.
So in terms of this award, is the committee an agreement?
Thank you.
The next one up is the Catherine Lowe settlement.
Thank you, Chair.
So this is an application for drop -in sessions, for advice, offering nine hours of support
across three different areas, that is family, youth clubs, and new arrivals.
There are essentially vice services. The big draw for this application though is
the CRESH. We know the availability of childcare is a barrier for especially
mothers accessing services, so that's quite a good element of the application.
There is...
Sorry, no, I'm jumping ahead.
The recommendation is to reward.
Any questions in relation to this application?
Okay, is the committee in agreement?
Great, thank you.
Moving on then to the next application, Power to Connect.
Thank you. This is a project for digital skills and they're applying for 10 ,000 pounds. It is six
courses over four weeks, that's about eight hours of course, including drop -in sessions up to four
hours of drop -in sessions. It's for two separate cohorts, so the first are sanctuary seekers with
low levels of English and that is to help them functionally access digital skills and the second
is for sanctuary seekers with higher levels of English and then that will support them
into different employment skills.
The panel's comments were that they liked that different element of skills, however
a bit of skepticism about whether or not 40 hours of drop -in sessions would actually be
used.
Any questions?
Councillor Hamilton.
Thank you.
It's not so much a question but more an observation.
I always think when we look at these applications,
one of the things that I try and judge them on the basis of
is the lasting skills and the legacy that they leave behind.
And I can scarcely think of a better use of funding here
than actually improving English language skills.
You know, it takes away the sense of isolation.
It gives people skills to get back into the workplace
in the fullness of time.
And I think those skills are exceptionally useful ones
for us to be funding.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Just a question in relation to this application.
It's running two different groups.
So would applicants to those groups have to go through an assessment process beforehand
or how are they evaluated to know which aspect they're going into?
So, they, Power to Connect already run drop -in sessions, so it would be from people that
have already approached them, so they would do the assessment.
They already work with these people on an informal basis.
We did actually ask this question because there was a query around what's new about
this, what's the additionality points, because we already do fund them, and the point is
that this is, rather than just dropping in,
how do I get the council's website on my phone,
it's more tailored to these are the skills you need.
So they know these people, they've done that assessment,
they stream them.
Thank you.
Councilor Graham.
Thank you.
This is very interesting, how to connect.
I think Eastall, as you say, is very important
for anybody coming into our country because it's the lifeblood, isn't it, of going forward.
I've got a great belief in lifelong learning, the college that we have, and it would be lovely if we could associate what we're doing,
if you want to bring everybody into an inclusive environment to investigate lifelong learning
because they do ESOL courses and they can access skills of if they are feeling down
they've got courses to raise their confidence because a lot have low confidence coming to
a new country and I just think that that would be, I mean you may have thought of it already,
I can't see lifelong learning, but how can we have, you know, what we've got in our council,
we can actually get them involved into learning.
Is that something worth thinking about?
Mr. Hardy, would you like to answer that first before I comment?
Yeah. So I think the college is part of the Wandsworth Migration Forum.
And one of the conditions of these grants is that our funded organizations are part of the forum.
So we are actively trying to make sure that where there's links to be made,
so that, for example, there will be some cross -referral.
the college might want to refer to Power to Connect.
Power Connect might say, actually, do you know what?
You've outgrown us.
It's time for the college.
So you're absolutely right.
Those where different bits of ESOL are being taught,
especially in less formal settings,
there's space for partners to be cost -referring to each other
to either pick up a different specialist skill,
like Power to Connect, or to move on to the next step
if the college can provide higher levels of ESOL.
Thanks for the answer, Mr. Hart.
I think you're right.
Language skills are an important element of settling in the country and being able to
access services.
So I particularly welcome this project.
I think it's really good.
But in terms of the committee, is the committee happy with the answers provided?
Great.
Great.
Thank you.
I'm falling over my words as well.
So the next one is the Tooting Community Kitchen.
I recognize that we've dealt with this partly already in your answer, your previous answer.
So, yes, so this is an application for group activities and workshops.
In the paper, it lists the different types of activities they do.
There's also an admin element where people can come in and have support to access advice.
I will pass on to Kostya now, who wanted to talk a bit about this, and also is going to
the part about Esau,
his language skills are much better than mine.
Yes. So the application mentioned 60 to 80 guests weekly.
My concern is that how do you make sure
that the guests are actually refugees and not,
for example, homeless people,
and as our grounds are supposed to be for sanctuary seekers.
And my second concern is that the project is ongoing and I believe it is better to support
new schemes than the existing ones.
Great.
Thank you for that insight and that commentary.
It's really helpful.
I was wondering, does anybody else on the committee have any questions about this?
Councillor Graham.
I think what you're saying, not think, I know what you're saying is very sensible in the fact that how can they identify asylum seekers and people who are actually as you were saying.
So it would be nice as you were saying yourself that they didn't give evidence of who they were serving and I think that should be fed back to them which I'm sure it will be. Thank you.
Thank you, Councillor Graham. Is the committee then in agreement with the recommendations
from the officers? Great, thank you.
The next one, we have two applications coming in from the same organisation. So the first
one is Wandsworth Welcomes Refugees, Children's Books in Wandsworth Libraries.
Thank you, yes, so this is an application for Children's Books in Wandsworth Libraries.
It is supported by the head of Wandsworth Libraries,
who has confirmed that they would work with the organization.
They've already started planning it.
Essentially, it's to provide a collection of resources to go around,
as well as a series of events that weren't
highlighted that well in the first application.
But there is going to be at least one event in each library as well,
aimed at again challenging stereotypes
and giving more access to resources
about sanctuary seekers in our libraries.
Which there was one concern of the panel,
and then again I'm going to hand over to Kostya who wants to flag that.
Yes. So to start with,
based on my experience as a 17 -year -old student,
I think it is crucial to educate young people and
children to actually read books in the world of social media and Internet.
And I believe that meetings in libraries will provide a place for young people to share
their own experiences and make new friends, which is, I think, especially important in
this age.
However, it is necessary to advertise the scheme to parents as well, because I think
that it might be difficult to advertise to young children, especially those in primary
schools, but I think maybe secondary schools as well.
I suppose it's an issue that's been brought up.
Mr. Hardy, I wonder if there's a response to how we are going to advertise this.
So it will be for organization too, but we will also advertise it.
Refugee Services itself is developing a comms plan for sanctuary seekers across Wandsworth
and it will be part of that, part of a newsletter.
We will advertise it amongst our forums.
I think the one thing that there's a specific group that we do want the organization to
think about how they're going to target, which is teenagers, because getting teenagers to
a library for an event might be difficult.
Sorry, Councillor, it becomes Hamilton's before.
Yeah, I mean, actually, libraries have become the coolest place for teenagers to go.
it's like a big thing at the moment. So yeah, they're all posting on TikTok about, you know,
going to the library. It's like having a resurgence. Yeah, no, like I know that during the A levels,
they were queuing around the block to get in Battersea Library.
Well, things certainly have changed.
Councillor Hamilton.
Thank you. So I have a question about the sort of definition of what sanctuary books are. I ask
that not to be difficult or to be downbeat about it.
I'm just interested to know what this entails.
Because one of the things from a number of conversations
I've had with a number of refugee communities
in Wandsworth and further afield is,
when it comes to actually access to books,
the challenge isn't so much getting access
to English language literature, which our libraries are,
I think, very well stocked with already.
But particularly when it comes to Ukrainians
that have come to the UK, the actual number
of Ukrainian language books, for example, is relatively limited in the library service.
So I wondered if any of this literature that's being made available will be in foreign languages,
because I think that would be a really important contribution to making refugees and asylum
seekers feel welcome in this borough. And secondly, perhaps this is something, if that's
not the case, that we could direct towards ones with welcome refugees, because I think
that's certainly an application that I would like to see brought to the committee in the
future to see more books in Ukrainian language in particular in Somali language but also
in Portuguese language from the African Portuguese speaking states as well.
Mr Hardy, I wonder if you could answer that.
That's a very good point, it's not something I thought of.
I don't recall it being in their full application form but it's definitely something that we
can, rather than wait for future application, we'd encourage them to do it here.
We can make it a condition, I'm sure Cheney and I know the people,
the ones with blood counts of refugees would be really open to that.
And thank you very much for that.
And it's not that I wish to be critical of this, but you know, it's great to see these sanctuary books,
but I'm unsure as to what they actually are, whereas I could see real value from actually those foreign language books,
which allow the children to maintain their skills, learn reading skills in their own languages as well,
which I think will be exceptionally important.
Councillor Maycross.
And in terms of assessment, I guess will there be any data collection on how often the books
are then taken out in the future months and years, or will it just be once they're in,
they're in, and that's the kind of plus the events, I suppose?
I don't want to promise anything on behalf of libraries.
I don't know what their idea is capable of, but if it is, we can ask them to do that,
yes.
It would be really interesting, yeah, in terms of the ongoing impact.
I'd be really interested to learn from who was taking what from which library.
Just from that communications point, finding out who is where is one of our big issues.
So that's a really good point.
I will see if they can do it.
I'd support that recommendation.
I think it helps give us an insight as to how communities are settling in Wandsworth
that the official data often doesn't give us.
And so it's an informal way of finding out more about the communities we're working with
and supporting with.
So thank you, both of you.
Councillor Graham.
I think this is a great paper.
I think it's the beginning of something new.
And looking at the project developer, he's got a heck of a lot to do.
And I'm just also bringing into line, so glad the library is supporting and the library
is also very close to achieving Century. So they're there already. So bringing my question
to the academies, Burntwood School has its own library.
Different primary schools have their own libraries.
And I know that in Burntwood they have students who are,
perhaps you are Burntwood, they're...
Chestnut.
Oh, Chestnut. There you go.
And so that is something which I think is,
How are they going to achieve that?
So there is, similar to libraries of sanctuary, there is a work stream from the city of sanctuary
organisation called Schools of Sanctuary.
It's not currently in Wandsworth's action plan, but it's something we're looking at
and actually feeding to the next application.
So it does tie in with the next application.
So in a way, it's a...
Exactly.
So it might be that as well as sharing, so I know this application talks about sharing
the collection with schools, but it might be that we investigate, it might be how we
investigate how schools can create their own as part of becoming a school of sanctuary.
No, absolutely.
So I suppose your job then would be who would you collect contact, you know, at Bamford
school for instance, who would you?
And so, and my other one is the fact that it's,
you're going to end this project by December,
unless I read it wrong on page 34, the timeline.
The timeline and funding, page 34.
I may have it wrong.
I mean this is a massive project and you've got to get it right.
I mean you've got to select the person.
Yes, very good point.
And also, can I just plug it in before you say something?
It would be a great thing if the libraries took on this person
as a rather than just a one -off six and six thousand three hundred pounds because
if you're looking at going forward with this initiative which I think you should
I'm just thinking how can you make this permanent because at the end of the day
nice music it would be more permanent and it's just not a one -off and are they
going to apply next year.
Are you with me?
So I think it's a bigger project.
I think it's brilliant.
But it is for all ones of people.
Yes.
So on your first point, if they can deliver by December,
that would be great.
But you're right.
That's probably unrealistic.
But they have got 12 months to deliver it.
So that's a tight deadline they've set themselves.
And if they go to next May, then that's fine by me.
because they've got 12 months to do this project.
For your second point, again, that's something we need to talk to the libraries about,
because just to be clear, this project offer is going to be hired by Wandsworth Welcomes Refugees, not the library.
I just think in the future, as naturalisation becomes a norm, there would be a transference of skills which would enrich us as a sanctuary and a borough.
So in relation just to sum up then, I think there's a number of ideas that have come out
of this paper to take back to the administration and to various work streams around how, based
in cooperation with libraries, how we actually make this more permanent structure.
And there's a suggestion of allowing slippage in terms of the timeline, which I think is
fully appropriate and then how we can actually develop this and make this more
substantive project. So I think there's some really good stuff there. Answers
can't be given today, tonight, but I think there are some great ideas to also
incorporate in our library strategy which I know is being worked on at this
moment in time. So in terms of the proposal before us, including the
proposal to allow slippage in terms of the timeline, is the council and
agreements for the proposal.
Great, thank you.
And the next paper and final paper is,
once again, Wandsworth Welcomes Refugees,
Establishing Sanctuaries in Wandsworth.
Yes, so this is an application to hire a project officer
to help deliver Wandsworth Welcomes Refugees
core activities.
Those core activities include things like attending
or running annual conferences and refugee week events.
but the main one is around establishing other places of sanctuary in the borough.
So an example might be another version of the community home kitchen, which is a cafe
of sanctuary.
And essentially, they're looking for a project officer to help deliver their core functions.
At the moment, they're run mainly by volunteers.
They have applied for £14 ,800, which is above the £10 ,000 limit, although we do allow either
higher applications or longer applications if they are exceptional.
And I know Tatiana has a comment about whether this is exceptional or not.
So actually all members of immigration board supported this project.
We found that find all educational projects very, very important and useful.
Regarding this one, we are supporting this, but we did not find why this project is exceptional.
So we did not find evidence that it's really exceptional.
So we are supporting, but in limits which are established.
Ms. Hardy, it's been raised as an issue then that even though the recommendations support
the exceptionality issue is not being met in relation to this.
So I wonder if there's an answer to that, like slight contradiction.
So I think the answer is in the recommendation, which is to grant up to the 10 ,000 pounds.
And then it would be up to the organization to either scale the activities to that funding,
find additional funding, or they could obviously just not do it.
Any questions from the committee in relation to this?
I just got one.
In terms of the timeline on the project, some of the outcomes of this project are a bit
unclear and it would be useful to go back and actually firm up some more measurable
outcomes in relation to this, whether it's the number of organizations that I've met
or something like that.
Personally, I would support this.
Let's say it's a bit of work in helping deal the ones with welcoming refugees to actually
firm up more measurable outcomes of this would be a recommendation.
So I'm just trying to do some very quick math.
So I think it's 175 pounds a day based on six days a month, allocating 12 ,600.
So just saying if we do take, if we say 10 ,000 and then you take away the 2 ,200 for the non -staff
cost that's seven thousand eight hundred divided by one hundred and seventy five
is forty four days sorry by twelve is just under four days a month so it's
sort of just observing that it would kind of chop that allocation of that
person down almost by two -thirds one third I think in light of that
observation, then the recommendation by firming up
the outcomes is even more important.
So it is realistic what we're wanting to achieve from this.
But thank you for that observation and the
calculation.
Any other questions about this?
Is the committee in agreement?
Great.
OK.
That's the last paper tonight.
And that concludes the business committee.
community.
So thank you, everybody, for attendance.
On that note, Prime Minister Hamilton, thank you very much.
I think we got the gist of what you were trying to say.
But also thank you for myself for attending tonight, and thank you for the work that's
been done.
I appreciate it.
May I say thank you from all of us speaking from Ukrainians.
We really feel this support from the moment we arrive here until today.
So thank you.
Great, thank you.
And have a good evening everybody.
Enjoy the rest of the evening.
Well done.