Licensing Sub-Committee - Tuesday 16 July 2024, 7:00pm - Wandsworth Council Webcasting
Licensing Sub-Committee
Tuesday, 16th July 2024 at 7:00pm
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good evening, apologies for the slight late starts, in welcome to this meeting of the Licensing Sub-Committee, which has been held as a hybrid meeting, this meeting will be webcast, so please bear with us if there are any technical issues my name is Councillor McLeod and I'm chairing this meeting.
I now invite the other attendees to introduce themselves in the following order.
Councillor virtual Good evening, everybody.
good evening, Councillor French present.
thank you.
we also have a number of officers present who will introduce themselves as and when they are requested, and the applicants is here and is is, is appearing remotely and in the room, thank you for your time and for journey, and then we have three free objectors to this application OK so agenda an agenda items 1 and 2 are there any apologies for absence and declarations of interest for any items on this agenda?
thank you.
we will now consider the application for a new premises licence in respect of the premises known as ground coffee society, which is 79 Lower Richmond Road S-W 15 1 E T I now invite the Licensing Manager to introduce this application, thank you, Chair m penguin, shaky now beat presenting the application T itinerary basic ease it premises licence application is submitted bedbound coffee, roasters limited and the location needs of 79 Lower Richmond Road which is located in terms food word.
this is a new business Chair, there's never been a premises licence at the site, they licensable activities that the applicant has applied for initially way for the sale of alcohol for consumption on and off the premises starting at 7.00, aim to live in 30 p.
7 days a week and the opening times where a 7 am to 11 pm Monday to Sandy is seven days a week, this application Chair was advertised as required under the Licensing Act and this resulted in representations. The fish representation from the responsible authority was from the police mumbo raised concerns that granting the application any in each carrying format would undermine the prevention of crime and disorder as licensing object to the police requested extra conditions to be added.
to the licensee footway to be granted, the applicant agreed, the proposed conditions that the police put forward and, consequently the police, withdrew their representation during the consultation period share, we also received a objection from the environmental health officers from the new noise and nuisance team always concerned that,
they still have alcohol, starting at 7 a.m. Was too early and it will cover because a public nuisance within it within the vicinity of the premises and they requested that they still have alcohol to commence at 10 a.m. And finishing time to remain this as proposed 11 30 pm Monday to Sunday.
and the applicant agreed to this, consequently, be nice and useless officer withdrew the representation we also received consent from tapes trading Standards who raised concerns about measures to prevent the or prevent children from harm and proposed some new extra conditions if the licence were to be granted the will put forward before the applicant and the applicant agreed to the conditions proposed by trading standard and consequently trading standards withdrew their representation.
so the matter that the Committee have tonight consider is the representative Taseer's that we receive from other persons, we received 14 representations in total share against the applications, the application and the concerns were raised relating to public nuisance being undermined if the licence were to be granted in particular noise from customers in the residential areas customers dropping litter buttercups on the streets in residents' be in residents beans,
Seb sounds from leakage from the premises, especially in the garden, which has a redoubtable roof, those were 14 representations that raise those concerns, but we also received 1 representation Chair in support of the application, no, as a representations were refused from received from other responsible authorities copies of the representations received where followed it to the applicant and or made available to this type committed tonight.
the applicant as volunteers measure in the operating schedule of the application to promote the licensing objectives if these licence way to be granted. The measures promote proposed Chair are listed in Appendix A of the committee report. This also include those agreed additional conditions from the police, Environmental Health, noise, nuisance, Team and trading standards. These are produced on pages 7 and 8 of the agenda. The Licensing Sub Committee may modify these conditions if they consider such steps appropriate. After hearing all the evidence tonight, so the SAP committed tonight mast take the following steps, as they consider appropriate for promoting the licensing objectives, and these are either to grant the application, modify the conditions if they game sub-committee are minded to grant the licence or reject the licence, or together this is the application. As I understand it, chair, I'm happy to answer any questions or points of clarification at this stage. Thank you
thank you very much was shocking.
so the Committee, if you have any questions, would Licensing Manager.
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yes, please check I, at the shocking you mentioned the the noise, and this is, I think, something that most of the complaints are the objectives are complaining about.
you only talk about.
the noise that that customers will be asked to be quiet when they're leaving what about thinking about the noise, that's going to be escaping from the building, particularly the garden.
and thank you, and thank you, Councillor, if I can just clarify thing that squishy would be to the applicant, OK, thank you, as the applicant has proposed, that measure in the application are doing to prevent public nuisance, but it may be through questioning the applicant they might provide you, they are justification for putting that forward or they might public puts something additional that you may make go away and consider.
then, within our hopes, Chairman, thank you, thank you, thank you, just does any any other questions, Councillor okay, for frankly shocking.
I now I'm going to invite the applicant's.
I'm not going to invite the applicant to speak to us
I can see their online you are you able to switch on yeah OK so.
I'm going to give you a five minutes, what you've obviously read.
what some of the objectors have said and you've heard you've had.
the issues that both the police and noise and then done that and you've you've you've addressed some of those, but if you could talk to us for five minutes about why why you want this application and address some of those, some of those concerns maybe that your neighbours will have,
yeah, absolutely I, I'm Chris, I'm putting the application on behalf of ground coffee society, I also have an attendance with me and the owner of ground coffee Society, David allow, so we just like to say that you have previously the licence the the premises had a licence which which lapsed and hence why we are applying for a new licence.
I accept the some of the concerns raised by the neighborhood, and so I'd like to start by saying that I would like I am happy to propose changing the hours of the licence to reflect our business operating hours as they stand. So we are cafe that opens at 7 a.m. In the morning and we close at 4 p.m. In the afternoon the prayer, the the reason we were reapplying for this licence was essentially to sell and some off-licence some of trade beers on all when our retail shelves, so to go alongside the the retail sector and we have for Australian and and New Zealand treats. We do like to sell some some symbiosis with that for customers to take away and then we'd also like to potentially offer something like a Politico breakfast on on a Sunday from from kidney in particular branch, and so I'd like the opportunity to be able to Sir particular with with that branch offering, so we're not looking to open a late night establishment, we're not looking for anything to run later than than 5 pm in the evening, sorry because we totally appreciate that there are there are neighbours and in families living on the streets so we're not looking to add to any more late night.
venues around the area we just like to be able to offer our current customers with, like I said, Simsim, takeaway beer options to compliment our our retail shelf and
prosecco branch on a Sunday should which will it be a good or nice Thomas day?
I might also like to refer to David, to add to add a little bit more as the owner of the cafe.
yeah hi, everyone, yeah, look at I just second work, while Christmas says what Chris said, I look, I have owned this cafe since 2009, I was the as the founder of this coffee shop.
actually sold the cafe in 2019
and then the the people who are sold to when went out of business so they went into liquidation after a couple of years and the landlords.
me as the founder of the coffee shop in the area.
offered the premises back to me, which I took it at the time, we chose not to renew the licence, which you know, as, as Chris said, it had lapsed and everything that Christmas said, you know I I second, which we do not intend to open a late night establishment. I live in the area, my own kids go to St Mary's School at the end of the street, so we're very much a part of the community, obviously St Mary's School, being the closest school in the area, like to say that my own kids attend so
you know, we, we've got a lot of close relationships, me personally with a lot of people on the streets.
and you know most of the street add customers of the coffee shop anyway daily.
unlike Chris said, we'd look with you, we just want to sell some gimmick.
Australian beers, where we have a large Australia, New Zealand, the antipathy and customer base.
we we buy chocolate biscuits, the sweets and treats from New Zealand, and we just thought it would be nice to compliment the like a New Zealand add a New Zealand beer or Australian beer as a as a retail option.
not been similarly with constant consumption on site, because we're not going to be.
drinking establishment, we are a coffee shop and we gonna remain a coffee shop so.
yeah really really, that's that's really our our response to to everybody on the street that had the concerns you know.
for the thank you, I'll show where we were in times that yeah, thank you both, that's that's appreciated.
I know you'll have stuff that you want to to say what we will do first, as the Committee will ask some questions if there's anything specific about, but you know that you don't understand about the application and that's your time when you can ask the applicant a couple of questions, but that's not really or not is not really the time where your present your case, if you see what I mean you know, you'll have time for that afterwards, it's just for anything that you're not not so clear about cyber to the Committee Councillor friendship, good afternoon, thank you, Chris
and David so f you have knowing.
yeah, no intentions to for this to be a drinking establishment establishment late into the night, would you be amenable just to ask for a change of hours because the licence goes to 11 30, can you just reiterate what time your operating hours are?
all our café operating hours are 7 am to 4 pm, so we would be happy to amend the licensing hours to reflect our café operating hours.
okay and that the licences you would want from 7, but we've said, I think it would be four from 10 am forget that action I was Mrs.
yes, I was advised that we would need special dispensation to consume alcohol on the premises before 10 am, so I am more than happy to adhere to the the sale of.
takeaway alcohol Priest given a them and consumption on-site from 10 am has recommended by, or I can't remember, who recommended it story through to 2 4 pm.
OK, thank you.
thank you, I'm I'm gonna, go to to guide Bishop our legal expert one single.
can you hear me?
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sorry, yeah, it was really clarification related to the hours, just say that the Committee is fully clear on what it is that the application now is, the original application was seven to 11 30 your changes to do alcohol from 7 2 4 pm.
or is at 10 a.m. To 4 pm so consumption on site.
10 am to 4 pm on site tend for okay,
can and on blogs all of alcohol as an off-licence from 11 am to 4 pm 74 brilliant OK, and then opening 74 as well, yes, OK, great, thank you very much, sorry, I thought it sensible to clarify that maximum roof that thank you I missed target
yeah, I just wanted to to dwindle said because said those are they take the consumption on those are the hours that the applicant agreed, we say Environmental Services Officer from 10 am to 11 pm so.
sorry, I'm not sure I understood that, can you can you start again the sorry Chair, I just wanted to clarify with the applicant that the applicant did agree with the noise and use this officer from Environmental Health section that consumption of alcohol was going to be from 10 am to 11 30 pm.
I just wanted to flag that are Chair, or is it on or off or both eat, it says, provision for on sales to commence from 10 am to to live in, so that follows with what's already been said in terms of on-site or on sales, 10 of sales 7,
thank you know.
but but I'm unless an confuse the the the stop time as still changed in it, which is a big difference from mosque and to go and until 11 30 to only occupants it down until 4 pm, so effort for clarity, what we're talking about now today as Weaver is is is is is 4 pm,
yeah right, OK, good, thank you that that that's that's useful OK, thank you so back to the Committee Councillor virtual.
yes, I could you tell me why you ask to be able to sell alcohol until 11 30 at night when you're a coffee shop?
and were you intending to be something else and then, when you saw the objections you thought well, maybe it will just stick to coffee shop and do prosecco.
Sunday branches, I mean, I can't understand what your core businesses and if a core business is a coffee shop, why were you asking for 11 30, so were you wanting to change what your core business was or?
you know, I don't really understand what was going on now, not no worries, that was the I was when I first applied, we were also thinking of holding temporary event from time to time, and so I was advised to apply for a licence of full licence to cover a full day.
but we will never intending to change our our business model, which is the café, so upon hearing the concerns of the neighborhood, we we want to make sure that we we don't because we're not changed from our core business, which is the café, it was probably a misunderstanding on my part that I thought I would need a full licence even though I was only hold the occasional temporary evening event.
but the that, if the if the community would prefer us to not have anything in the evening, we are more than happy to adhere to those conditions and just have our licence based around our core business of a café.
thank you, Councillor Mowat, Councillor French sorry, thank you.
in regards to background, Chris can you just clarify your role within the organisation, please?
I know you're the applicant for the licence just, and that's that's completely that's acceptable, just to understand the mechanics and the organisers organisational structure of the coffee shop so yeah, where do you sit in that, Sir, I am and I'm sticking to the owner I'm Head of the against the business as well.
and I, I am one of the managers.
so can I just De Wednesday 2nd, is that Deputy Assistant Manager, just just for clarity, so it's second in command to the tree owner, but not not not quite sure what you would, what you'd what you'd praise the and then I'm also one of the cafe managers.
thank you.
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I think I've got a couple, I know maybe it's worth, it would be useful to be honest, I'm gone kind of eager to get to the residents because I think that the changes you've made a quite substantial and I think that that kind of changes the whole thing that we're looking at here but but but so but but one of the things I want to understand is you talk about just Céline's of novelty.
this doesn't, it feels like maybe maybe this has made us aware, I'm getting stock. It feels like quite a small thing that you're trying to do if you're not only sending a couple of beers and you don't really mind whether you send him in the evening or not, and you're not gonna be the initially, not gonna be doing that, you're not gonna be having a big impact, why go through all the trouble of applying them? What what's the purpose of what you're applying for and I'm trying to understand what you what you get from this, if you see what I mean
and so part of our kind of our cafes, we have a big antipodean culture and we've had lots of requests to add to our our retail shelf to add them and fears that people can't get in the UK very easily, so we wanted to provide something for a lot of our customers and the the integrity and culture is quite a strong basis for our cafe so,
we wanted to be able to provide that, and so we wanted to the to provide at the right way by not just joined him on the shelves, we wanted to make sure we went through the right channels to do that, so it it's not we're not realise because they were not trying to be a Barbara, it's something that we think adds value to our cafe and is part of all all I'll make up to those to our retail option.
thank you, that's helpful.
Mr Bishop, yes, sorry to ask another question, but it's more clarification, its relation to the hours.
that we've discussed already, and I should have asked before I'm sorry, Chris.
you have in the
our section of your operating schedule, the reference to 12 annual unspecified events that start at 6.00 and end at 1.00 in the morning are those still some of you are applying for, or is there no longer the case in terms of the hours, obviously you've talked about up so far,
and again that was there was a piece of advice that was given when I was first put in the application together, so there was a bit of unsure nest on my part, we would potentially like to hold them off insects them point but I think from what I've researched further we would prevent we would apply for a temporary events so D and N go down that route rather than having the 12 events so we're happy to get that from our our main application.
for thank you, that's helpful, when I was gonna, I was going to say the the purpose of the temporary event Notices is exactly that, and they'd give us more, you know if there's, if there's been a problem with the establishment, it gives us more flexibility to to say yes or no to those events whereas you applying for the now you know when you haven't been round any things is a lot harder to
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looking back at the Committee to see if there are any more questions now for now now I'm I'm so I'm I'm I now invite the objectors, isn't your this is your chance to sort of say why you why you're issues with the papers for your chance to ask any clarify clarification questions?
because I think things have changed a bit, so you might need to understand what it is your object into, do you have any?
0sorry, if you could of events a year, would be a problem.
I'm I think it's fine to if it will stops at 4.00 in the afternoon, I mean when you know, I'm not miserable, we want people have been, but as long as the 11 30 is definitely off the cards because the as, as you have seen in the objections, there are a lot of young families,
I myself get up to go to work at 5.45 s in I can't be doing with and the fact that the retractable roof.
I mean the noise because we did have, they did have a licence before, as they were saying which lapsed, but that caused total grief in the road, I don't know whether you were here then but that it was appalling but I understand not miserable people but I I wouldn't for a minute thank you were sorry, thank you I wouldn't for a minute for Europe that's
I know I understand completely, I suppose this is more without those, as I believe it will be taken off the table that they're not going to be applied for in date, yet separate do you have any any any other clarification questions may be for the applicant,
hi now I don't think I do not think I am quite clear that the, as have now changed from 10 am to 4 pm.
with regards to temporary event licences, I would also object to those, because I think having something go on going on, potentially, even if it's just once a month, 2 1 p them in the morning is completely inappropriate in a small residential street, so I would still object to those.
if they do apply for these temporary event licensees, do we also do we? How do we know about that in advance
it's a very good question.
I move can at Caroline, thank you.
thank you, Chair and and I'm sure the legal adviser may add more comments, saying their advice, I'm going to provide the temporary about notice, says when they when we received them Chair, it's only the police and Environmental Health knows and use his team all can object to to to the temporary event Notices, but what we do advise residents if they are being impacted by noise, to contact Environmental Health section in the first instance, because they do have an out-of-hours service, they can come out and interact. We say operator, the manager and look to resolve the problem at the time and then there will collect that information and logo on the premises record so that in future, if they operate a puts in another 10, they will be able to look at the complaints Rosie received and then look to object any further terms. That's how the system works in terms of temporary event Notices. Frankly, can I just say we definitely not having any temporary
sorry, sorry saga.
just want to clarify about this temporary evening, sorry sorry for for for piracy, that's not part of this application, yeah, the the the applicants agreed to what they had wanted was 12 12 specific.
events throughout the year they have agreed to nothing just scrap that completely levels unchanged.
sorry, yes, they've taken myself, but what what I guess the point that Mashiki was making clear was that that any any one, you don't even have to have friends, you can apply for a temporary event licence and released, it's normally only the police and and noise because they're quite.
quick turnaround things no makes no mention of the police and Environmental Health who are informed, but if I, if an event like that was held and nor any problems, then then you should immediately be contacted. Environment, health and then it's logged, and so I suppose the problem is that difficulty you might see is that the that one event would be likely to go ahead because there'd be no reason for it, not sue, until you guys had a problem with that event, and then the next one will be less likely to go ahead, says it's, I suppose the the the deficit is that you can't really complain in advance, but then, from from a business owners point of view, there say we haven't done anything wrong yeah, so so we, so why would anyone wants to complain? Does that make sense? Okay,
Chris sorry, come back to you.
at Etihad, he would you like to where we are just going to respond to the temporary the situation of temporary of intimate, very quickly, and I add that I think I think that was already answered, I think we.
yeah, we we have, we have no intention of having any events until 1 am in the morning and, like I said, I met on a local as well and I know.
thank you Chair.
however, I'm sorry will actually.
yes, I know how much of that you had but yeah, which wanted to show the guys on the street, we have no intention of having any events someone I am in the morning.
all of these matters as a as a whole piece of advice I always give them and our supposed applying, so I apologise for that, thank you, thank you that salvo.
hopefully it is going smack and I just had a few questions if I can clarify your application, are you aware that there have been noise, complaints and Wandsworth council have been out on a number of occasions already?
yes or add, I can answer that, I think the the the company or the the individual that I saw the business to the business model was different to, firstly, what I started in 2009, their business model was to be a drinking establishment and I I believe that there will, while I am aware that there was complaints because,
I heard about them from.
friends in the community that you know obviously saying Well, this guy if sold the business to his, is causing problems so, but that that wasn't asked as a business that was the company, the started, when I saw it and then went bust, so it wasn't asked I just wanted to clarify that as well, frankly, okay and thinking your application, you have a request for New Year's Eve.
overnight party, it looks like.
I again, that was the a piece of advice I was given to put an application and I'm happy to remove that.
one of my other questions might be to legal adviser.
because I think how I can speak for a lot of the residents hearing the change in the application.
there is confusion as to why the application was put in an even the nice Eve.
it seems surprising that
could ever have.
been rational advice that one would have taken, so really, what I'm wondering is if a licence is granted for short hours is that a springboard for a renewed application for longer hours?
I'm
is there a question from me or a question for violent well, I guess, both, but make the legal Miami legally if if.
you next week, because we wouldn't want it, saddle welders, they serve alcohol already, so by creep.
yes, I cannot, I can ask that, were relatively Gavenny short, shall I go ahead, capture obscura, yes, please, Mr Mitchell.
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if the if this application is granted on these terms, I 7 o'clock until 4 pm, et cetera, et cetera.
then, obviously that would be a premises licence, which would have those conditions and those hours set on it, to amend it in any way I to increase the hours they would have to come back to the Committee with a variation application. They would have to do that because that it would involve a change to the alcohol side of things and therefore they can use a minor variation awaiting experiment that that that about that, but basically they'd have to do a full variation and to do that you would you would be notified the and the notices and adverts and website would display that you go through the same process that we're going through here so effectively if they were to apply for that variation to increase hours, then you would know about it and have the opportunity to respond and obviously speak like you are tonight
that is not helpful, yeah, I think it's worth reiterating, it's not a.
it's not a sort of licensed in by stealth the what what they were, what they're applying for is what they apply for now. I guess how it could work in our favour if they run it beautifully and everything's wonderful, and then at some point ask for an extension, you might feel less subject sneaking, you might feel less against it because you get used to them and you think they're really good, so that's that's more likely the roots not, or they don't get any any sort of stepping-stone effect. Before me I I am just trying to work out. The original application should be. I can't
indeed, the premises licence, if granted, would be the hours and conditions, and that will be until and if it was very, there would be no change, otherwise, unless of course they've got a temporary event notice, but we've already discussed that for thank you.
we've gone a little bit free flow on on on how we were going to run things, but that's that's all OK and they're still now, I've still now got the your your time to speak the item to give your case against.
this application, I thought, is worth really getting into those changes before you did that, because I think yeah, because it might well change your opinion now, I'm not sure how you want to do this in theory, you have sort of five minutes each, but what could then happiness ends up being very repetitive and you end up saying the same thing for three times.
do you have, is there someone enjoy speaking a little bit more?
that's had a very, very good, I'm looking Jackie this element small companies and I can certainly take the lead, thank you, the ladies can add in anything I miss out.
well, I'm really grateful for the change to the application, I think that meets most of our worries.
you know, we were all very supportive of the coffee shop and, as gentlemen, sides within their almost daily.
in any event, so we wouldn't want to do anything to harm their core business.
so I guess I want to start with that and say I'm sure we're all very relieved.
I was just thinking on our feet because obviously we've been slightly surprised by the Cange, there are a couple of.
I guess conditions potentially that might be relevant, so there's an outside space to the side of the building on waste Road itself and it sometimes they have in the past put chairs and tables there, so I think there's a there's a few out front and then there's the space along the pavement and obviously anybody having prosecco lunches there would feel like their they might as well be having prosecco lunch in my garden because it's and also it would be.
it would take up a lot of the pavement, so I just wanted to flag that and then, secondly, with the Pagoda.
I looked at the planning application, I don't really understand planning applications, but I couldn't see any limit or any concerns raised about potential noise from that.
and it looks fantastic, but it it is incredibly intrusive when that is open and when the back door is open, so I think what we'd say is if the licence is granted.
when it when they are serving alcohol, we would ask, or I would ask for the roof to be closed because of prosecco lunch, at whatever time of day is going to be.
a bit more, noisy a bit more lively, and I wouldn't want to stop that, but I would stop it from happening so intrusively.
where my actual houses, so when the roofs of they are just one house away from my house and I've got small children and I work ludicrous hours sometimes and in the past I've turned up at my in my pyjamas at the coffee shop because it's felt like having a party in my house particularly with,
there was one occasion they have live music.
the lady with the microphone,
I think we were the the street with.
appreciative of her.
her talent, but rather put out by the fact that was foisted on us, sorry, I think I think that would be my re my request that the pagoda roof be closed if they're serving alcohol and then the either, then the noise will be.
more contains, it's obviously not brick Roof or a solid roof, but it will be more contained if the pagoda roof is on top.
so I think that they will be making comments for thank you.
I invite.
either review if you have done, if they do, you have anything to add to those, and I think to add, if we just talking about ano serving alcohol between 10 to four, then I don't really have an objection to that and just to ask them to to you know.
just bear in mind, you know that you know it, does, it does impact our lives a little bit where we're happy for that to go ahead, but anything further, I think we'd find a bit too much yeah.
it would agree with that, but I do, it is very vivid in my memory what happened before, but if it's not going to be until 11 30 0 5.
thank you, I think, is worth clarifying both I'm for my understanding both the incident you're talking about and the that was in this other ownership period, I think, thunder I'm just want it just want a yes, it was when they were holding evening events which sometimes needs to go on to about 11 13 so we're which but as I say this is for the pressure that is that's completely different organisation were not where we're not, yet they can't be blamed basically for for something else.
no, what the changeover was saying, and I understand that thank you.
and we must have it yeah, the resident whose online, whose name symbols I single symbol here, yes.
actually, I'm just reporting what has been said by my neighbours in the role, I don't have any objections with these new hours and and and limitations that's that's preparing, thank you, and thank you for joining us Roseville girl.
OK, then, in I can I can see that very yeah, I can be the applicant, has a sign that, but before I before I go to, because I I imagine you want to respond to a couple of the the the questions that were asked, their does anyone in Committee have questions for for for the objectives Eddie resolution,
just a quick one, do you have any objection to noise that the coffee shop at the moment is?
producing when they're not serving alcohol.
no, I mean it is, it is noisy but it's part of our lives, you know in the early morning and you know where we're all customers and we all really appreciate the the coffee shop there as it is, so you know it is what it is and we we just used to it yeah yeah,
it's yeah it it's for cyclists, and that's nothing to do with the owners they say they're so successful that the, but slightly beyond our reach when we thought we are OK.
so oversee for us.
and to respond to the look yeah, I pray A fresh everyone's concerns I once in our like ourselves.
I was the previous owners, I think, whether well all the concerns seems to lie with the previous owners.
now that I think would be very grateful for all the street supporting our business.
had it for 15 years I started that business for nos 26 years old and you know it is very successful and you know my kids have grown up in there and I know a lot of people on the street and it's a lovely community in we're very proud to be part of it and very proud to have built such a community in such a great place, so I appreciate the support and and I'm glad that you know everyone is happy in Cardiff,
agreeing to our change of towns and good that we can all come to a a nice mutual agreement here, I think.
for
thank you.
OK, so I think we're with them, I think everyone's loss, the questions that you do not forget once said the things that they need to say.
I just wondered if they wanted to respond to my team, suggested condition thing about the pagoda yeah answering and outside Spain yeah I'm not that I think I think, given given the fact that were it were closing at 4 p.m. You know, I think, on a on a summer's day. I really disagree with the fact that a glass of prosecco would increase the volume. You know we are not abused establishment, like I said, you know, we we rarely sell hardly any alcohol, we did have an alcohol licence when I operated the business from 2009 to 2019
and we were closed the back then our hours were closed at 6 p.m. And there was no difference, we have we sell any alcohol, so I I don't I don't agree with the fact that there would be an increase in volume if someone's having a glass of prosecco with their eggs Benedict,
OK, thank you.
the Chair,
OK so, so thank you, this now concludes this part of the meeting, the decisions and any legal guidance given during the Sub-Committee's decision.
inform the decision will be confirmed in writing, together with any information about any rights of appeal within five working days, and I thank you for giving up time that you didn't need to give up to come in here, so it's appreciated everybody.
and to those online as well.
thank you very much appreciate it, yeah thanks guys.
thank you.