Licensing Sub-Committee - Wednesday 8 May 2024, 7:00pm - Wandsworth Council Webcasting
Licensing Sub-Committee
Wednesday, 8th May 2024 at 7:00pm
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hello good evening, welcome to this meeting of the Licensing Sub-Committee, which will be held in a hybrid format, this hearing will be considering it put on an application for a new premises licence for Battersea food and wine, which is 42 Battersea Rise London S-W 11 1 E in the Lavender Ward as were appearing
Virtually yeah bear with us if we have any issues, my name is Councillor MacLeod and the Chair of the Licensing Sub-Committee, and I now invite the members of the Subcommittee to introduce themselves and today, where we, we only have to members myself and Councillor Jeffreys,
Evening everyone and Councillor James Geoffrey Sport at timescale board.
thank you.
And the officers presence are Caroline Sharkey's Licensing Manager, who is appearing remotely Guy Bishop, our legal advisor, who is also appearing remotely and with me here, is Michael Flowers, his in-person.
Because we're all using this hybrid method, I ask anyone who speaks to to to introduce themselves before they speak each time and so remember to mute themselves after speaking.
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mostly Councillor D, or to introduce the applicant as well, I'm so sorry apologies.
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And then I think you'll put your perfectly well perfectly, you're exactly the right time, because I was just introducing you to the meeting, so so you, it's perfect, perfectly correct time.
I was just saying we have you here speaking for the applicants, and your name is VJ Tamar, is that correct, yes, please, thank you.
okay, are there any declarations of even pecuniary or registrable or non-returnable interests in any of the matters to be discussed at this meeting?
That an expert for for myself and Councillor Jeffreys, and no for me and nothing nothing for me, thank you.
OK, so so we're now to consider the application for a new premises licence in respect of the premises known as Battersea Food and Wine 42 Battersea Rise London S-W 11 1 E, in the lavender ward, the Sub Committee will hear the cases of discussion.
With the maximum time of 5 minutes for each party to to choose to say their their their part.
Now Bud Bovell step-free.
yeah, and that now I'm gonna, I'm gonna go to our licensing manager, Caroline Sharkie, who will present the reports.
Thank you, Chair mindful, you've read the paperwork in front of you, so I'll just give you a summary of some piddling points for you to concede tonight. This is a premises, licence and e t submitted by Battersea food and wine limited. They are seeking to sell alcohol for consumption off the premises between 7 am and until midnight, and then from Sunday through to Thursday, 7 am until 2, the following day on Fridays and Saturday, and they initially asked for the premises closing times from 6 am until midnight, standard tooth was Thursday and 6 am to them the following day, Fridays and Saturday
Deer during the application it was advertised, as required by law, and the copies of the applications were sent to the responsible authority and during a 28 day consultation period we received a representation from the Minto Metropolitan police who raised concerns that granting the application in its initial format would undermine the prevention of crime and disorder licensing objectives, they please then requested a reduction in the hours applied for the recoup, the police also requested from further conditions to be added to the licence if it were to be granted and this was CCTV security incidents.
and not serving alcohol in single cans, and also the requested for signage regarding patrons leaving the premises, an area quietly, the applicant Chair agreed to reduce the hours for the sale of alcohol for consumption off the premises, and he reduced him from 8 am to 10 pm on Sundays, 8 am until midnight on Monday through to Wednesday, 8 am until 1 am the following day, unfazed at Fridays and Saturdays, and the opening hours he changed them from 6 am on Sundays to 11 pm 6 am until midnight Monday through to Wednesday and in 6 am until 1 am the following day on Thursday, through to Sunday, when the applicant agreed this Chair, the police withdrew their representation during the 28 days. We also received one relevant
Objections from patients living near the property and they were concerned that granting the licence would undermine public nuisance, crime and disorder and the protection for from children from harm as licensing objective.
The icon says we're relating to patrons intoxicated patrons and disorderly behaviour in the area, excessive alcohol consumption they've referred to other premises, but I'm sure the Licensing or legal adviser will advise you Chair and what you can act I can accept in terms of issues happening at other premises and they've also ix complained about litter or broken bottles in relation to crime and disorder and also public disorder.
This is this representation Chair, as far as I'm aware, it's not been withdrawn and this is the matter that you've got to concede tonight, in addition to the they agreed condition, they agreed measures that the applicant as put forward in addition to this chair they applicant did volunteer in the operating schedule part of the application other measures to promote the licensing objectives and these measures are produced in Appendix A of the report this is produced on pages 7 to 12 of the agenda.
The Licensing Sub-Committee tonight may modify these conditions if they consider such steps appropriate after hearing all the evidence tonight and with a view to promoting the licensing objectives, the options available to the Committee tonight are either to grant the application to or modify any conditions if they are minded to grant.
Or to reject the application.
And this is the application, as I understand it, chair, I'm happy to answer any questions or points of clarification at this stage, thank you, thank you very much, with shortly, I go to the subcommittee that any questions at this stage.
not at this stage, but I think when we come back to the ground to discuss it.
Due to cover a few points, good stuff you are for, thank this is signed from me, OK, so in that case.
in that case, Lord Mayor, I invite the applicants, oops, sorry, sorry, Mr Bishop.
Sorry, I am sorry to interrupt Councillor, I just thought through you, I'd ask a quick question, which has assists I've noticed in Appendix B, that there is a reference to 10 am as opposed to 10 pm and I'm assuming that's just a typographical.
Get all sorry my wife's thanks, that's that's particularly sharp, I thank you, sorry, I'm I will just confirm for the record we do now have the representations Sarah Parr in the meeting so.
Sarah you'll have an opportunity to speak after the applicant has but welcome to the meeting.
Thank you, and and indeed I reiterate that welcome, thank you for giving up time to help us do what we do here.
OK, so now I now invite the applicant to address the Sub-Committee VJ 2 Mar is a representative for the applicant, who's appearing remotely welcomed Mr. To whom I was, what I'd ask is that they've have five minutes, but you don't need to take them all if you just explain for us I guess why why you want this licence and how you respond.
It would be particularly helpful if you say if you'd let us know how you'd respond.
To some of the worries of the off of your neighbour as as expressed in the papers that you would have been sent, say yes, if you, if I or if he can speak for about five minutes, that'd be great.
not only first of all, thank you everyone for taking time, I'd for today's meeting monumental wheelchair.
A little bit of background above me, I own two places in one for one are not controlled one on a better Lavender Hill, those two shops are off-licence operating in the same.
manner which we applied for on Battersea Rise, it's been eight years, I'm into this, retail is not running my own business.
and it's been 15 years I'm into retail industry, I do consider the community where I operate, where other shops or businesses are operating, we do consider community plays a big core and when initially.
For the Northcote shop, when I applied for a licence a couple of years back, we had 11 representation beheaded, I can I can tell you very honestly that the people who
Offers the licence, they are our regular customers, they are really thankful that we are here in this in this area serving our community.
Regarding the the the the noise, pollution or broken bottles and things which is which has you know, gained my attention?
The pattern which I have noticed in my retail career is when the shops are closed.
it becomes a little place for people, you cannot stop people once a shop opens when the businesses are open in a high street or in the street, or or anywhere it becomes less nuisance.
Because people are afraid to do so in front of our shopkeepers or our business business owners, or because they are staff, there are people coming in and out.
So I can tells me, Sarah, that we have the retailers, do take these things.
I am very seriously on looking after our people community, I know.
We have really good knowledge, good experience in this field, how to handle the added other type of nuisance, including noise pollution and any other things we do not serve any single cans about 6% and think we do take this into consideration and it's a proven track record if I consider both of my dreams is a proven track record that we've never been in trouble with our community with other people we go to schools around in or not good road where we have schoolchildren coming in and out.
I don't think so many of Latin practices, but we personally practice anyone under 14 years of age we do not even sell energy drink, the personality we are inoculating because we like to look after the community because we are getting support for community, and this is the thing we in in in in exchange, we look after our community anyone under 14, that's not even by law, and maybe we do practice anyone under 14 on the 13 be. We do not sell even energy drinks so forget about selling alcohol and A or B rates or any other things, so this is our contribution towards the community where we so
So I mean, that's all I can say we have proven track record of not being in trouble in spite of running two different shops are very close to each other.
Thank you, yeah, that that that's that's really helpful.
Will you'll have more time, because I am sure, once the wants the residents spoken amongst you have questions, you have to say that that's that's that's really helpful, I'll look over to now to my colleagues say, Do you have any questions, Councillor Jeffries,
no, not at this point, thank you, OK, I mean I do just I mean that we will hear from the the resident, and then that might put some some weight on to these questions, I'm just really.
And one, I'm really glad to hear you, yeah you know the the that things seem to be going well in your other stores in in this thought, to submit about the fears that the residents solve outlaid.
what sort of staffing will be in the store late late at night, as I I know I know you're saying that?
that people are less likely to litter, refuse stores open, because it you know, there's a presence there, but do you have do you have staff that will be, so you know, I'm looking outside of the store and making sure that you know there isn't a problem?
yes, we were initially outlined is my trained staff, I'm not quite sure I'm gonna put them to run the better say because they are expedient, they are trained.
and in every aspect of running a retail business like this, so this is our initial plan.
to dissolve into the community to you know, make our people welcome and safe, as well as, at the same time, so all all of the staff will be trained, there will be no new staff at any point of time, we will have at least three members of staff so it makes,
or a safer place to shop.
And things, even at late night, we and ENO were not controlled, we have at least three to four staff.
until midnight for thank you, that's that's helpful, I'm I'm just noticing.
Yeah OK, sorry, I've just noticed that the resident
It has dropped off, I think, that ha ha, which is probably having issues with the technology, OK and I'm I'm kind of keen for her to hear this part of the the the the conversation.
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that'd be OK.
Rebecca W Welch, welcome back.
yeah, I saw you are having technical issues, Sarah, but so you you didn't you didn't miss very much, we you you cut off, I think, and we saw virtually paused after that say so you haven't haven't missed very much I was just asking the applicant to.
say something about the staff that lead, that there would be present at the shop at the store to to mitigate some of the concerns that you had about that problem drinkers outside and things like that.
OK, so if there are still no questions from the Committee.
I think what object what will do now is go to.
it will go to the RHI resident, who is making that blue making no representation, Sarah Palin's actually.
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yeah, we're we're we're given a or apologies, everyone were given a few little minute for her to rejoin, we can carry on regardless, but obviously I would very much like to to have a concerns addressed.
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I can wonderful thank you for persevering.
I do not, I'm not sure what how far you had up to, we've just had I had everything apologies, but I actually have an issue with my laptop, so I have to connect with my and my phone.
while we are glad that you, you have say so, thank you, but what I was saying was if you're if you're able to be really good now for.
Just a few minutes up to allow up to five minutes for you to explain what your concerns are, I don't know if you have a chance to look at.
any of the information that's gone out from from the applicant talking about how they're going to try and address some of the police's concerns, and those have now been put to rest yeah, so I'll get out just a few minutes explaining what whilst concerns you and are.
And yeah yeah, OK, my camera should be working at.
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thank you, so thanks a lot first of all, for inviting me and thanks VJ as well, for you know, like summarising your stance, I think first of all, like the the let's say, concerned that I have is not just related to myself as the homeowner, but I think we submitted it also like with our neighbours, so a Marco Carolina, juliano, but you know and and my own husband added El-Abd, it's not as much related like to the presence of an off-licence, but it's honestly like more related to the current situation that we're living on the street, which we are afraid, it's going to get potentially like worse with the presence of an off-licence, and I just want to summarise it with our stance at the moment. So where we live, we currently have
A 3 year 2 main bars that are open until 2 am OK, one is called Tequila Mockingbird, the other one is called used to be called girlfriend, I think recently changed to a bar and then below are a place there is also like Indian moments which is a restaurant which doesn't have an alcohol licence so it's allowing basically like people to bring their own alcohol in.
And if any of you would pass by our streets in in a random weekend between, let's say, midnight and 2 am.
You would probably like understand why we are raising, let's say, this concern, because really often what happens is we find our streets are full of.
Vomit full of people who are getting into fights because of intoxication of alcohol.
Really often I opened the door, if I'm leaving, like at 0.00, and there are people just urinating her out out of our door, like you can just imagine the smell in the morning, we've been raising quite a lot of complaints specifically to to to Kill a Mockingbird I think they've been trying as much as possible to,
move the people and the like, ensure that the people are not grouping out of the premise, but then, as a consequence, what ends up happening is that a lot of these groups of young people end up not staying in front of the clubs, but kind of like grouping or in front of.
Our place or in general, like on the street, nor in front of one specific premise.
Because they often are drunk and they are not allowed to enter these clubs, they end up getting their own drinks either from Tesco, the reasons they score are quite a close to where we live.
Or other places, and then they just drink on the street, and they continue basically like their night in in the middle of the street, sometimes the bouncers from the different bars are obviously like kind of ensuring that these people are moving out, especially if they're being loud because they know that we've been complaining in in in.
in a Falkland way, sometimes they just let it go and we've been living in this building for the past three years and to be honest, we're surmising him and Simon spin pans actually we've we just lost the that they have a Councillor and I I think by by regulation we need to have at least two of us in the room to for Sophie just hold on for a second while he rejoins considerately.
Sorry, I know you're in mid-flow, but I didn't want to just know no other way away.
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Rejoin in presently.
Technology is brilliant when it works and a nightmare when it doesn't sound sorry.
I think he's having to change devices, which is what the hold-up is.
That's what's at this meeting, okay, right, yes.
Welcome back Councillor Jeffreys, we pause eat problems, yes, no, wait, I end the anecdote, thanks for rejoining we paused because we we couldn't we can't carry on with without there being at least two of us here, so you haven't made sure thing.
and you've got about a minute and a half left Ms Ms Panzer yeah, yeah yeah, absolutely absolutely so, yeah, I don't have to be detract, but I just to close my leg, the summary of where I stand at the moment so we recently actually like
third, checking whether there is I mean we started investigating or selling our property, and what I found extremely concerning is the fact that two of our offers actually fell through because some of the people that visited the apartment are obviously like wanted to visit the area at night and the obviously like happen to pass by during the weekend and they found it quite concerning to see.
Basically like how the situation is at night, specifically because we were talking about families with kids.
So
I think this summarises more or less what my concern is like it's a concern which again, it's not necessarily like related to the off-licence itself, but to me.
adding up like another store which sells alcohol at night in a street, where during weekends we already have an extra amount of young people completely intoxicated, it's not necessarily like going to let's say, help the area to, or let's say, be evaluated or valued at the way I think it should be.
So yeah, if there is any way that Mr VJ can.
Cannot I blend towards that?
Then I am more than happy to get to listen to it, but this is where I stand at the moment,
for thank you, that's that's very helpful and very, very, very well explained, to be honest, Councillor Jeffreys, do you have any any questions for the for the resident?
yeah, I'm a if, if I could sorry, thank you very much, few comments and completely appreciate where you're coming from, it would be helpful just to understand, is there something that's gotten worse over a period of time or has it always been at the similar a problem at a similar level ever since you've been there because I think,
what would be I don't know if there is a more general issue in terms of the licences of all the other premises.
And the enforcement around that, as opposed to you know the specific problem with with a newsagent that we're talking about yeah good question, I think that it definitely become more visible over the past, I would say, yeah, second 12 months,
But, again, like I need to be honest, we've been living there since late for three years or, like we've been living right for three years.
OK.
Great, thank you.
Urfa, thank you, yeah, I'm from my point of view, I guess.
the
And and first of all I want to stay on and I'm sorry that you're having to go through what it sounds like you're having to go through and that's that's not nice and a and and I agree with with Councillor Jefferies', it feels like the Council, or something needs to be needs to be done, says you know, je t' to alleviate that if there's a, if there's a, if there's a problem, that's that's building up, then then something needs to be done to to sort it out, but but I am yeah I'm interested in how I know that you're worried that that, yeah, this is an accumulative worry that you seem to have this, that this is just another thing that's gonna add to to to to the problems we already having rather than any particular
you know not wanting this shot, particularly on I'll have any reason to think that this particular applicant would be a bad.
bad a licence holder yeah, it's not related, as I said at the beginning, led to the shop itself is more about the situation on the street.
I I understand and I, but I am going to go back to the applicant in a minute, but just.
So I can do you have any, and it's it's hard for me, so I guess it'll be hard for you to say, but I was about what sort of things might put your mind at rest, what sorts of actions do you have any ideas about what sorts of things could could make giving are OK this this this isn't gonna be bad, this is gonna be something that you know. This is
An establishment is gonna be in my area and will add to the area, rather than making more of a problem or anything along those lines, and again I'm asking you to to invent things better, yeah I mean I think that,
GJ mentioned something at the beginning, which is Lake, just keeping an eye on the people who are, let's say, purchasing in in the shop to me that is fundamental because again, what I see is like people who are already intoxicated getting intoxicated even more and then this is what is causing them basically like vomiting urinating et cetera, et cetera in the area, so I think it's probably like also in the licence holder interest to ensure that whoever works the nights in the store make sure that there are no groups of people in front of the of the store just basically like drinking alcohol and stopping on the street.
And yeah, that's all there is kept in front of the premise, and you know like around the premise specifically at night.
For thank you, that's that's that's really helpful.
if there are no more questions for you at all, and I'm looking at my my colleague Vinod more questions for you, I might I have a I'd like to go back to the applicant and put some things to him if that's OK, Councillor Jeffreys, is that alright,
great stuff OK, thank you again, but please do stay on the course, like the it might be, that I want to come back to you and and one about what what said now.
Mr. Tumour can can I you've heard what the residents said.
to my mind.
she sounds very, she says that doesn't sound.
As she has animosity towards a shop or anything like that is just a genuine concern. Is there any more that you can say about about how you can how you how you were assuaged opens those concerns, like, for instance, if if there are young people in the area who are drunk, you know, is your shop gonna be serving them and add into that? How do you make sure that when people leave your shop they'll leave in an orderly fashion? It's took a little bit about that sort of info, and so before you do, I can see that our legal adviser has his hand up, so I I might be asking you the wrong thing. Let me just check
Not not at all, not until I was just going to add that of course selling alcohol to somebody who is already intoxicated.
It is a criminal offence and Mr turmoil will be fully and very clearly aware of that from his other two premises, but it goes without saying that if you've got somebody who's drunk coming in for more alcohol, you can't serve him.
Thank you that that's helpful.
Ms Mr Zimmer, I'll I'll allow you to respond to yes.
I live upstairs on the Northcote shop, but I do feel Ms Cyrus consent, to be honest, I literally related or she might be going through, whereas I haven't faced the difficulty in here because we have been taking steps since we came here.
particularly selling alcohol and things, we are very, very strict.
I remember one of the council officer is to Ben, if I'm not wrong, he was, there, were two officers visited our shop twice, I guess he was very, very impressed and his colleague was very impressed the way we are strike action.
selling alcohol and things.
nobody, nobody presents practice. As far as I know, because I go, Vigo sic, seven shops in my group, all of my friends run this outlet business, but we put in practice, we have kept an ultraviolet light under the counter which count you see there are so many fake ID is nowadays in the marker, young kids are bringing it, but if you put under the you relied, you can figure out whether it's fake or genuine we practise this. All of my staff members have the application where they can check the past hologram the citizenship card, where they're going to bring ID with with the scandal, the their ideas we put, the numbers and the OBR will tell you straight away whether it's a fake one or alleged the right one
So this is what we've been practising, all or quite far they have application in their mobile phone, the to ultraviolet lights underneath quite counties on the boat, until so we do take strict.
you know.
So we don't allow it, I got 20 year old daughter and I do understand I live upstairs of the shop, so I do understand if I was concerned and to look after the community as well as, secondly in our Battersea shop I have put the door which opened inside because I have noticed the pyramid is smaller compared to my Northcote shop compared to my lavender shop.
So not to create that news, otherwise I would have kept a sliding one which every other shops have a, but due to the nature of my business, I have taken into consideration beforehand when I started building up the door is opening inside the premises.
secondly, are are, as far as I remember, Ms Sarah noticed, that putting things outside the shop.
which is going to make the payment more congested. It will be difficult for pedestrians to walk and things difficult for residential people to come out and walk and things none of I shop. We don't put anything outside our supply matters. I worked for Tesco's for and he is less a little less than 10 years and I resigned as a store manager, but I do understand the value of retailing the the, the the things you bring, the community, we are not any other off-licence since you might have seen in policy years we are almost similar, delivering serving community almost similar to this big companies
we do follow strict actions, take stick actions, we do not sell alcohol.
to any drunk person, any people walking in, we have are more than 2 3 staff after 10 o'clock, one of my staff stays by the door. I'm paying extra wages to do this, just to make sure that when people walking in the sea, that is someone standing by the door, so before they tend to create any nuisance or shout or anything they get that feeling or you know there's someone standing by the door, so this kind of measures we have taken from our side wrote before anyone walk into us and tells us to do certain things, but one saying there is any suggestion would be welcome from insider, to be honest, because we're gonna be neighbours if any suggestion would be to be very, very welcome and we will take into consideration to make our community safer FA, thank you. That's that's very helpful.
and sorry, Mr Bishop sorry sorry, to interrupt again it was just going to help the Committee, Mr Seymour, can you just confirm if you have any attenuation measures that you've taken in terms of the ceiling or anything like that to help out that help?
in terms of salary, I mean something any attenuation, so noise.
lie listening measures or anything like that, yes, we have the the the noise-cancelling ceilings on the top, and we have the the another feeling which we I started building of repeating it is, this is no cancellation, feeling probably the word, would you call it, but yes,
OK, because the noise we are gonna go out and the door gonna be closed all the time, so if anyone is inside talking any customers, if I got more than 2 5 10 customers at 1.00 point of time, the door will be closed.
If you're not gonna, keep the sliding door, keep it open for until we operate yeah, OK, thank you, thank you.
And and it's something you kind of touched on, there are.
A little bit which if, if this licences granted and you kind of talked about this with your other stores and something I am quite keen on, what will you do to keep the lines of communication open with local residents so that, if any local residents are having issues with how you're doing business that they've got clear?
yeah, I think before the April coming to the Council or talk to the police, they should be able to come and talk to you, how would that happen?
as we, all of my draft, are highly trained, we are friendly and we treat people that they like to be treated, but the the the the atmosphere which recreated
I'm sorry, I'm going off track, but I would like to invite Mytholm do over and I'm not sure if, if she got time on weekend or any time, but we have created that environment where my people, my my customers, my people are really really happy with those.
you can have you can miss out, I can see the review online, we're getting four-over Northcote shop, it itself says that I don't have to prove, but I will prove once I'm there, but we we we, we are one of those people who love to because I live in this area
I live on top of my not called shop.
I do understand the locality, the people, the the the the the the value of communication, so any suggestions anything are more than welcome, I redo how people working in my customers like to look at some of walking in they do suggest up until now they do suggested or can you do this, can you do that this business and we straightaway put into implementation will just be just don't hold back and think or you know now if my people are not happy we do it
That's why we are here. We are open for changes, to be honest, related exchange numbers or something in due course. Yeah, that's wonderful, yeah, in terms of suggestions, I know that some licence holder, for instance, I would have a phone number somewhere very visible in the store that someone might not want to complain at that time at night, but they have a a direct way of getting in touch with with you basically and saying that this is what we're experiencing, that might that might be an easy way of of of of allowing people to get in touch review if they need to, but certainly yeah
That sounds that sounds good.
I am going to ask Councillor Jeffreys and I were then I was gonna, check in with the resident, just to say just to see if we can get an idea of what what she thinks of what she's had, just so that the the jokes that'd be helpful in our position as Councillor Jeffreys did you have any any follow up questions?
No, I didn't have anything further to try to think Councillor Macleod, you've made the point there about communications really well, I suppose that might sit sort of technically outside of the legal framework of of that the licence itself, but it sounds like the applicants are very keen to facilitate that so yeah, but if we can sort of take that as,
is as read that the there will be a an open door and a door going inwards.
that would be
really positive, I think for thank you
Miss miss been jazzy Kanye, if you're still, I think you are can kind of get it, can I just get an eye or an idea of how you're feeling?
about what you've heard, so that we can so that we can take into our decisions later.
yeah, absolutely so again I just want to reiterate affected like the like, my entire point is not around the story itself, so I trust that.
You know they care.
Mr DJ VJ know how to do his job.
Properly, and he has the experience to do that again. My point is more about what are we going to do to ensure that we make that street a safer place? So one of the points that I had raised was actually like. How can we avoid gatherings of people with alcohol on the street, specifically like in the moments they probably like, try to get into some of the clubs they rejected from the clubs, so the clubs, kind of like pushed them to just gather in the middle of the street is there anything that can be done light from distort perspective, to ensure that people that might enter by alcohol don't end up
Just drinking their beers or like or as periods in front of our place.
I said to my wife.
Go ahead.
Surrey are bamboozle Surrey with that point, that is a pattern, if you might have noticed with those people is if the there are close to misses, and when they're waiting in key or if they are drinking and in the public clubs or anywhere astronaut will see a quiet place, a closed shop or anywhere they'd like to go and gather their that and then they leave the glosses of whatever I need to say, vomiting and echo I said.
Once the shop is open, we will make sure that there'll be no gathering in front of our shop post that can lead people, we we we we won't allow anyone walking out with an open bottle or glass open glass in and out in our premises.
thirdly, the the format of a business is little different, not literally says, way more different than than these clubs, and all things like people buy, they go and drink at that places, particularly on weekend they wanna go to trend, House of Exeter, they go indoors and drink it, whereas this club's one thing they open till two o'clock, and I remember you mentioned after midnight till two o'clock you hear them shouting screaming, but by that time you'll be close and go home as it is upon those pubs and things seem to take extra measures, but from our side I can, I can. I can assure you that we will
It is this Battersea jobs, the same way be treating of a local shop are normal gatherings, allowed outside the show, no more open class or open bottles in arrived from the shops and and, as I said, all of my train staff will be coming there initially to make sure that there'll be no nuisance and once the customers see the pattern of not making nonsense nuisance in front in inside or outside the shop.
They they they want created from the beginning, this is what this is how I this is what I believe, and this is why I put in factors in my both of my jobs initially or at the very beginning stage, very young say Yes, shop we tolerate no nonsense from anyone regardless how much money they're spending, it's not about money,
it's about my people living in the area, whom I am looking for the support on day to day basis, to be not after money that people walking in or is a big group walking in 10 people walking defending 50 quid 100 quid now it doesn't work like this would need to be honest because a more business this is my perspective of owning better, the more business and more revenue I generate is from the residential people who live there closer to my shop gonna use over our our own shop and day to day basis.
not people who are walking in on weekend and creating chaos and things, so from the beginning we will make sure that there will be no gatherings, not allow the tunnel, and gradually, this will become a pattern when people won't gather in front of our shop because they will come to know that on or do not stand in front of the shop and make noise and shout and create chaos.
But that is not the tactic I have used and it worked for me to be honest yeah I mean to me as long as there are the right mechanisms in place to ensure that there are no gatherings, and do you know like I can live in a civil street, I'm I have no position towards the licence.
Says that?
we will try our best of best and, as I mentioned, you will have become Levy, you will see the staff we have are very well trained, well behaved, we told it no nonsense, to be honest.
and that that's that's my way of serving my community that because I'm running business here, my people should not get disturbed, particularly after a certain time of the day.
For thank you.
Line and then, and I I'm I'm pleased to hear that the dialogue that we just had that's that's that's quite pleasing to me. I was going to say, I'm not sure what the we've missed Panjdeh. If we wanted to avert, there might be a conversation that someone in the council, I don't think it's necessarily even a licensing issue, it needs to have about what's already going on on the streets are going to ask if, if I could be put in touch, maybe after the meeting just to maybe follow up in some way with you, not about this application, but about the issues that you're already having
Thank you so so unless they're welcome Councillor Jeffreys, do you have any any more questions now and I've seen nothing from Mr Bishop either, so unless there are any other points I think I think we've heard all the stuff that we need to hear.
I'm looking around here great, so so thank you, so that concludes this part of the meets in the decision reasons in any legal advice given during the sub-committees discussion has informed the decision will be confirmed in writing.
Together with information about any rights of appeal or within five working days, but I wanted to thank everyone that's attended for giving up your time to come and help this committee to do its job, for thank you very much, everybody.