Grants Sub-Committee - Wednesday 29 November 2023, 7:00pm - Wandsworth Council Webcasting
Grants Sub-Committee
Wednesday, 29th November 2023 at 7:00pm
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good welcome to everyone, those listening remotely and those in the room here, my name is Councillor Jeremy An Bash, and I am the Chair of the grant subcommittee.
members of the Committee, I will now call your names in alphabetical order, please switch on your microphones to confirm your attendance Councillor Sheila Boswell.
present.
Councillor Claire Gilbert, president, good evening, everyone.
Councillor Daniel Hamilton.
agree?
Councillor Lindsay Hedges.
present and good evening, everyone.
Councillor Steve Warrell presence and I've received apologies for absence from Councillors, similar Varatharajah and Councillor Angela Graham, is that everyone.
we have a number of officers present and they will introduce themselves as they addressed the Committee.
but principally Ms Sarah O'Donnell is, with us, remotely, will be introducing the main paper tonight.
declarations of interest.
but any members of the Committee like to declare either commune.
pecuniary or other registrable or non-registered interests.
if there was anyone showing no no declarations?
OK, thank you, no declarations of interest.
minutes of the 6th of November.
I've got here, does the committee agree, the minutes of the previous meeting held on the 6th of November can be signed as a correct record.
there's one thing arising that I said I would come back to the committee with a talk with the Cabinet Member and senior officers about having a follow up on outcome report and what's planned is in the July meeting next year we will have the summary of the outcome reports for all the different projects that we've supported this year but just to let you know that,
now that's been followed up.
so item 3 arrangement for the Wandsworth Arts Fringe 224 paper number 23 4 2 0 Sarah O'Donnell will introduce the paper, and Sarah would you also first go through the there are one or two corrections I know members of have had them in writing, but it would be helpful for you to just go through so people can who are listening remotely know what the corrections were.
both no, thank you that I'm following Donald head of arts and culture for Wandsworth council, that there were two collections, so one is on a line 15, where it accidentally said 12 projects are to be funded at the correct number is 11 and then within Appendix 1.
the
the 12th project was still was marked as a reserve but was still in the total.
in the column to receive 2000 pounds of funding and therefore the total at the bottom of Appendix 1 3rd 21,442.
whereas it should have said 19,442, some page 18 of your papers OK, thank you.
so should I yeah, you introduce the paper, will you get wrong?
so.
the, as you've seen in the paper, are the ones with arts fringe is treated in a different manner to the other grants that came through the once with grant fund a pot of 20,000 pounds is ring fenced to fund projects for the annual fringe festival this is the Council's only funding pot,
to provide funds for projects over the festival, so the priority is very much to fund as many impactful projects as possible that take place in as many wards as as possible.
especially when we're looking to allocate funding, we're prioritising projects in areas that are unlikely to be activated through the general call out for the ones without switch or that work with underserved communities where we on the expressions of interest that come in.
there doesn't seem to be as much demand to work with them, so the grant pot as you've seen from Appendix 3 last year's impact assessment is only of a small fraction of the activities that take place as part of the fringe, so this year we've had.
already 200 and 48 expressions of interest and the expressions of interest don't close for another another two weeks, so and then 64 of those expressions of interest translated into applications or with grants, so it's it's a small percentage, but these are the projects that we feel would benefit from up to 2000 pounds of funding to help make them happen.
it's because of that sort of wider.
remit of looking at how we, how will it activate less, are less active parts or cold spots within the borrower or those underserved communities that we actually bring the the waste grants as a curated package?
to Committee each year, rather than going through them as individual projects.
so this year we've managed to within that funding pot we can fund 11 projects, as I said, that counts to a total of 19,442 we've also found funding for an additional three projects.
that have come through that have come from other funding sources, but as far as the applicants are concerned.
they've come in for WEF grant and they're not aware that that funding is coming through from other sources, and it's all the same process.
so there were there were six additional projects that scored very highly, but that there wasn't funding within the pot available to to afford them, so these have been put on a reserve list of 6.
and the request that we had from the grant committee from 2020 onwards is that, if any applicants pull out, then we have other projects in order of how they've scored within the assessing that we can then reallocate the funding to those projects in order to ensure that,
all the money is spent as effectively as possible.
think that's it any questions, thank you very much, goes it on on any questions you are Councillor Hedges.
thank you Chair, and thank you, Ms McDonnell and Mr Murdoch for all of your hard work.
and anybody else who's been involved in this process I know last year was a huge success, so looking forward to next year as well and glad to see Burnham is on the on the on the list and I'll make sure I attend the circus.
I just want just a quick question around some of the points that you've made in terms of how you go about looking at the particular applications which all look great, by the way.
I understand there was a series of surgeries and workshops that took place where you went through the scoring grid and and any notes clearly stated here what you go through, but I just wondered what happens with the scoring grids, and is there any is there anything documented on on back a central database somewhere to say how you've done it, what you've done it who attended, thank you and,
was it all yeah, no Bella?
there isn't a single tram system as it well or database that there who has met, who so we do offer a range of surgeries.
for applicants and different members of the team sit down and have those conversations with applicants, some of whom come in some of whom don't, and then, alongside that, we run a training programme for creatives that starts from September October onwards, all the way to the actual festival.
in June, and some people will just come along to the training programme and won't come along to a specific grant surgery, Sam will come into, but I will start taking part in that training and support programme.
throughout the process, so them start right at the beginning them drop in and out, depending on how many previous years they've taken parts, how early they found out about once with Arts, Finch, and decided that they did want to take part.
we then have the central spreadsheet that we use for the scoring of the applications that came in and each person.
on the
three of us bomb.
the Council do the scoring and then those three.
separate templates are combined into a single one and then we have a session discussing our scores on each of those applications and then collect the number and then that.
that then ranked the projects and then those projects are taken to the portfolio holder to discuss with her get the documentation on the scoring her view, yes.
task Force 9 shared with the applicants.
it's been further on that and I know Councillor Hamilton, I just quick wish to follow up on one item I asked last year and it leads on from the question Councillor Hedges asked, I think it's great to see you know, I think I should probably a more diverse range of wards this year represented and then I'd appreciate them in the last cycle but I just put it in the same questions last year and you mentioned these workshops what's being done differently this year to last year in terms of making sure that you do get out there too.
advertised this fund promotes its explain it to new audiences.
yeah
so.
I mean, we we constantly promoted and we actually promoted all year round, that the funding will become available and, as part of once with arts fringe, as I said, people join sort of the the artist development programme at different stages so we we are aware that when,
registration actually opens, because at the moment expressions of interest will get more artists who will have missed this year's funding window, but they will, then we will then start talking about how there is a funding window for next year for were 2026 or 2025 to apply there, so we do tend to get a lot of new applicants starting the process.
they.
don't necessarily finish the process.
that first year of taking part in wafts tends to be something that.
a lot of the artists who take part their first year are looking to try and cover their costs, so on the whole they're tending to do activities that are charged for, whereas within the waft folk within the grant programme, we're looking for that additional benefit so it's quite often people who've taken part one year two years previously sort of know how the system works knows what support will be available and then can,
feeling confident to do that, additional element of outreach and community engagement without having to worry about how to put on an event for the first time and cover their own overheads, does that make sense?
Councillor Walker,
thank you, I'm just a quick question, I suppose, related to what you were saying, Councillor Hamilton, for those organisations that don't succeed.
it's often the case that they don't know how to fill in application forms and I was just wondering what feedback is given to those that are coming from established organisations or established artists to help them, maybe the next time round I heard that you say you keep the scripts and everything else do you go through in detail as to why they might have failed an application or was that only on a request basis?
so no, we do go through in detail and because everybody who has filled in.
a grant application has also failed in an expression of interest. We continue those conversations and say you know this is this is where you this is, this is why it wouldn't it wasn't successful? This is what you need to think about for next year. As I said, a lot of the new applications have put in.
Havant probably didn't have the grant surgeries or those conversations and hadn't realised that we weren't going to fund paid for activities, so it's not we're not the equivalent of the Arts Council.
so, but it's very much going through and taking them on the journey, I would say again, it's a much easier application form than the ones with grant fund form.
in order to make sure that people who aren't as as eloquent do succeed, and on the whole, we do tend to fund the smaller organisations, not the ones who are very much geared up to to write very eloquent funding applications, those are the organisations we signpost to the Arts Council.
or to other funding bodies Councillor Boswell, coming next and then Councillor Hedges, thank you very much, Chair, yes, I also wanted to thank officers for these papers and particularly the wonderful colour images that we have as well, I I wish all our council papers we're like this we are trying to do it in children's so that young people can actually and their parents look at at the papers as well, but thank you so much for that.
like others, I am really pleased to see the geographical spread arm is, it is good, it's not perfect yet, but it's definitely definitely spread more around the borough. What I wanted to ask was I I immediately went to look at the criteria to see if where on a or an application was coming from which ward which area of the Borough was part of the criteria. I see it's not, but it is part of the were the priority points, so I presume this is activating areas in the borough that are least country active, such as housing, estates or areas without any cultural venues. That's the closest one
that I could find I wanted to ask on if that priority point was there previously or whether that's new, and if we might have one for a geographic spread as well, that no, it's not you, we've always had, or we we updated the criteria when the Wandsworth arts and culture strategy was approved in 20 to in.
2021, so we've been using this criteria since then, the reason we don't have a specific ward.
question in there is, as I said, its part, the grants are part of the wider expressions of interest for the festival and each year it's very different, so you know some years we can get a whole cluster of activities coming forward in it, but we have a few wards that are harder to programme in than others.
but you know, some years we might get a whole cluster of activities taking place in that ward, at which point it wouldn't be a priority for the grant fund.
at other years, there might be nothing happening in that area, what we can't do is at the time of giving the
the WEF awards at the WEF grants is confirm which of those other projects that were in discussions with will definitely happen, because they don't need to confirm those projects until the end of January until mid-January. So that's when we know for certain, but it also means that within the waft grant on the whole, a lot of the arts organisations are flexible and there are a number of them that have said you know, this is our preferred area, but if you need it, if you need to move us into another area,
there we'd be happy to consider that Councillor Bowes will you want to come back here now, I just wanted to say to to say thank you for that, and I presume some of it is that the venues on there because there are residential areas so Trinity Ward for example, is mainly residential, I think there's any venues there at all, so it is kind of understandable
Councillor Hedges.
thank you Chair just a quick one on appendix A I may have asked you this before, so apologies, if I'm repeating myself, the Nine Elms, presumably is the end CIL funding and then the heritage.
yeah, so thank you, yeah, so this year, as part of our London borough of culture.
funding award that went to Finance Committee in July Committee.
a little bit of funding was also allocated to bring the ones with heritage collection.
out of hibernation and do some engagement projects, so this is using 2000 pounds of that funding.
to develop a heritage project as part of the festival.
thank you.
Sergio book.
thank you Chair, this is some and just to echo the thanks as well for myself for for these papers and false information about prior events, this is just about publicity for the events, I think one of the bits of feedback I often received from residents and from resident groups is about that have joined up comes from the Council and,
you know what?
trying to make sure that the very good things that the Council is doing are publicised widely through the the channels that we already know, and just thinking of where some of these events are taking place, in particular where they're taking place.
around our council managed housing estates, can we?
and are we already going to make sure that they are publicised through things like home life, through our sheltered accommodation through our residents' associations and just to make sure that as many people as possible can participate and earn and know well enough in advance about these these events taking place because I think that would be really appreciated, thank you.
yeah, yes, we we do work with, so we within the arts team we have our own.
marketing and comes.
allocation, but we do work with central comes.
home life and those other publications are fantastic at promoting where the the
the snag, as it were in the system, is that the activities that are taking place often aren't confirmed in time for the deadlines that those print publications need, so what tends to happen is that in home life it says you know, a range of creative activities will be coming to your estate but it can't go into the detail of what's coming because it's gone to print.
a month or so before we've known what the actual detail will be, but we're looking at improving that and trying to use more social media and more direct engagement, and also the new
club the manager.
met with her to talk about how we can actually improve, getting that information out, getting the granular information out of what's available on people's doorsteps.
thank you must adopt, can I ask one question, because it's my first year as Chair of the grants committee dealing with WEF, so I'm quite interested in, we might be recommending and granting 11 or 12 projects, but you were saying there are many more projects that are part. Can you explain who the many more are are some of the ones that are not going to be successful in getting grants, although in that number how do all the other projects organise and fund themselves?
yeah, so maybe there's there's another sixth in the reserve list but within the wider programme, so a lot of organisations and and artists are developing their own projects and are putting in funding applications to all sorts of organisations, so the Wimbledon Foundation has traditionally funded various projects,
across the Barbara, the Arts Council, a lot of the larger.
arts organisations, more established put in funding applications directly to them and then also a whole range of activities are are charged for, on the whole, as you've seen in the impact assessment, most projects or most activities are 10 pounds or less and a number of arts organisations.
post pandemic have been rolling out pay what you can for activities, but the bulk of those activities aren't funded by the council.
does that include some people who are not going to be successful in getting grants tonight?
mixture, so I'd say, you know, some of the projects that we have recommended for funding, part of the reason that sometimes organisations do pull out is that at 2000 pounds is a tiny percentage of the funding that they're going for, so if there's other larger funding applications aren't successful, then they end up pulling out of once without switch at which point that's why we want a reserve list to reallocate there are a few
organisations on the reserve list, who I mean we don't we don't ask them, they don't have to volunteer the information, but there are a few, I suspect, may not take part take place if they don't get the funding.
because they haven't talked about other funding pots that they're going to as part of their funding, application or grant application.
committee have we dealt with any questions on the April 23 4 2 0 yeah?
so let's go on to the allocations, and for that I would like to thank the officers from a very thorough work they've done, and it's very clear to me re reading them two or three times you tried to balance up different interest groups, different age groups, different disability and non disability groups, different ethnic groups and different kinds of arts and culture to make sure and different areas of the borough that's been drawn out by the committee. So it's it's a bit of a package if we wanted to vary what the recommendation to the officers are and the committee can do that. We'd need to think if we were kind of Dee Dee stabilising the balance, as it were, if we wanted to take anything out, although I've been told in previous years, Committee hasn't taken things out but tried to add one or two things, so we talked about the rather reserved list. We need to get that in an order. So if any one drops out
the f, the top of the reserved lists, would then be offered the projects or the committee members might want to argue that we should try and do our best endeavours to find extra money, but that would be from now other pot the ones with grant funds and we may or may not be able to do that and I'm advised at the moment we we can't say we would be able to reallocate money.
from that that we we, we may know sometime in December, whether that that might be possible, but that that would be up to the committee to to argue that, so I'm going to suggest that we're not gonna, take them all one at a time we'd be here all night and we've we've gone, we've gone over the 18 minutes which was the record for completing this meeting in previous years, so I'm suggesting we take them in blocks. So first the recommended there were eight recommended for grant, which are white coloured and three grants from elsewhere which are blue, so we start to take those 11
if I got that sorry now, it's 11 in white and three in blue 11 in whites, I'm sorry, I've got the numbers wrong.
and three in blue suits 14.
yeah, there, I suggest we take the reserve list.
and we spend a little bit more time on the reserve list because that we might want to look about whether CA Committee think they should be on the reserve list and the order of the reserve list, they're in purple and they're not recommended is 33 in light grey and the ineligible 11 and again I think we just to take them as a lie if anyone wants to ask questions about individual projects so,
Mr Donald, can you?
S, where can we just see if there are any questions on the 11 recommended for grant from the committee or three that are granted elsewhere by the Council?
are there any questions from the Committee on that on those 4 14 applications?
this silence means people except those recommendations OK.
so now we're onto the reserve list of six, which are purple and
I wonder, Minister Donohoe could could you say a sentence or two?
about each of those.
yeah, though I'd say.
41, they'd be the first of the purple outstay there in scoring order so that scored slightly higher than the net, also that scored 36 out of 50 and that a Peruvians don't.
company, so they're working with the Peruvian embassy,
it would be, it would be a lovely project, it would take part, take place at the Royal Academy of Dance three days of free workshops.
so that was the project that we had initially hoped we could try and find some additional funding from another pot that for one of the higher up projects and would be able to get back through as as another worst-funded project.
but we weren't able to do so, so yes, so that that's that one, then the next four all scored the same at 35 points.
so the Zinnemann bands I don't know if people have been along to some of their concerts in the past, they're wonderful, really really enjoyable, really nice community atmosphere outside St Ann's church in once with town.
I would say the reason they they scored lower is the fact that we have funded them for two years, and in previous years we funded six projects or thick concert for that amount of money, and this year they're asking for 2000 pounds for for two projects, but also we don't want to develop a dependency habit on the council that's that all of the young people playing.
once with young musicians and the quality of the of the music is spectacular and it does have a very nice community and feel I would say it's one of the projects that I am concerned may not happen without that funding.
but at the same time, they do need to develop an approach to to go into people other than just us for funding.
so yeah, that's that.
so the next one is, I'm a big fan again.
as I said, these four scored the same, a lovely project, an artist we've worked with for a number of years, and this is very much celebrating local heroes, she wants people to to nominate somebody who they feel.
is a sort of a local hero, somebody who they want to recognise and celebrate and create posters that are then put up around Wandsworth in recognition of these local and local heroes, so really nice project very deliverable.
it's a question of yeah.
what resourcing is available?
the next project is.
on magic and movement workshops, it's for young people in Putney by St Mary's Church, so.
likely to be really really good quality.
very engaging project, it did so artform, wise and deliverability, it scored very well, it scored less highly in the fact that St Mary's Church, Putney is one of the annual hubs for work, so it's not a cold spot, it's an area that we know will have a whole range of activity happening anyway.
but would be a great addition to have that that circus and magic, if possible.
then the next project was at All Saints Church in Tooting again a really lovely project to bring.
adults.
non-disabled adults, parents with children with profound.
learning difficulties together in an immersive sense.
sensory experience
beautiful project.
would be would be would be great.
but again, you know, two projects have come in from All Saints Church, and the question is, could we fund both and we do have Oily caught round the corner who have a project, not dissimilar?
that they?
send out to families to create in their home and set up in their home, and they'll also do, and they also do, their own annual WAF activity, so when it came to choosing between which of them to prioritise, it felt like there was something that already was sort of in that space but you know not 100% equivalent,
so, as I said, in an ideal world we would have funded both.
all of it, and then the next one, the final one on the list.
again scored very highly, but slightly below the 5 that I've just mentioned, which is queering queering the mind releasing the body again is looking at the performance arts project with a query and near and neuro diverse artists from Wandsworth creating a project.
again, it would be it, it would be lovely, but they were looking to do this in the Nine Elms area, where we already have a number of projects taking place.
but again would be a great project, and there's another one that we're looking at being if there's other means to get some funding for them if it can't be funded by the grant fund.
would you because you've given us the scores for the other five, could you give us the one from number 6 to 34?
said we are very close. Yeah, they're all very close and you'd like to fund them all, but we didn't have enough money, it sounds like it's not right just that the committee wants to comment at all in terms of the order and any particular priority. Yeah yeah, Daniel thank you, Chairman for Councillor for York, for your comments about the balance that's been struck in terms of the the way in which these have been assessed. I am particularly pleased actually see number 41, which is the premium for dance, including this proposal. I think actually one of the sort of personal bugbears I suppose I have is when I look at the the rich tapestry of communities that we have across Wandsworth, I think in many respects it is the Latin American community which I think are often overlooked in a way that I don't think is the case in some of the neighbouring boroughs, particularly Southwark, where I know, for example, the last American community, be it Peruvian and Colombian Brazilian is very much as a large part of that barn's cultural identity. I don't think that in Wandsworth that's that's to date been particularly recognised and obviously representing the ballot board and living in Tooting which are home to a huge number of Latin American residents
within front Brazilians to to Peruvians. I think it's great to see the yellow into balance represents this project, so I'm very glad to see that included nor those here I'd be very concerned to see that go forward, and I hope my mother would want me to say this that the Brazilian community will be represented next year, but I thought you'd need to declare an interest in the of South American connections. Councillor Hamilton yeah Councillor Gilbert,
and may I just check what the amounts of the notional underspend is, please, because I think that the final figure was corrected from the from the since page 18, I think of the report to 19 I didn't write it down quickly enough, 19 for 40 so,
theoretically, we've we've one where I'm driving out with this.
and I'll just pick up very briefly Councillor Harrison's point, do come to Roehampton do some salsa.
because we are.
because I am going to do so well, we, I'm sure we could be persuaded to branch out, because I I I had a very strict nude dancing in public rule until at 1.00 of our S-W 15 women's network residents got us all on the dance floor so but I agree with you it's you know,
guessing people you know musically up and up and dancing and doing something like that has an enormous sort of beneficial effect number 24 off of this category really stands out for me, I appreciate the point that's been made already about this being a second application for more Saints Church but I'm I'm just particularly conscious that this is about a sort of sensory opportunity for four families who have very few.
I think places to go in the borough for that sort of opportunity and as it's 900 pounds and as we haven't spent the full allocation,
and and you know, I think this sounds like a wonderful project, I would be very keen to hear from colleagues about about the potential for supporting that one, and I think it's in my colleague's ward as well so.
but I think it would be nice to discuss a little bit more if possible. Please, thank you, Chair, Councillor Boswell, you got there next, Jan Councillor Harris's, thank you. Thank you Chair. Yes, I declare an interest, it is in my Ward and because it's in my ward, I know this ward and that area of Tooting really well, and it used to be the old Tooting ward that took in Tooting Broadway where the oily car project is on, and I know that really well too, and I just wanted to add to what Councillor Gilbert, as has said, in terms of the geography of that area. So I'm sure everybody will understand where the oily cot is. I noticed on you said it's just around the corner, but in terms of those areas it it's not just around the corner at all, it, it's a on a different estate, and there's all sorts of gang issues with Upper Tooting and Lower Tooting, and a lot of the younger people don't come from one area to the other. It's been a longstanding problem,
we had it with a youth club when it was moved to the hub and the kids from.
the Hazlehurst would never go up there, so I know this really well, so I'm making a plea as well on that basis, that please don't dismiss it because it's just round the corner from the Ollie cart and that is a similar project. This is for the people that need this. This is a completely different area, so that's my plea, Councillor Hedges. Thank you, Chair yeah, this one particularly like Councillor Gilbert. This one particularly touched me as well
and as we're talking about our mums because my mum, what used to be a a or a special needs headteacher, so I'm fully aware about sensory and how children and families really really appreciate that, so yes, I'm totally with you Councillor Gilbert on that one.
Councillor Waugh,
well, since we all declaring interests of in terms of this, I am not going to argue for one particular project per se, but I'm gonna ask for a chain a slight change, if they're, if they come on to the list for develop the first one would be number 49, I'm a big fan,
I am looking at the areas where this could be developed and presented, I would ask for reconsideration of Betsy park and actually asking for it to be switched to Shaftesbury and Queenstown, not only because I'm the ward councillor, they're putting that aside, but actually it's an area that's actually had a lot of difficulties over the last year we've had issues with obviously a stabbing two stabbings on on in the area one person who who died as a result of that.
we've had shot the people of Shaftesbury estate, there's no residents association in the area, so people don't really get to know each other that well, and I think a project like this could actually encourage people to actually re-engage with each other and lift the the communities around their. So rather than saying I'm supporting this one per se above everything else, I just ask for a reconsideration of one of the delivery areas as a result of that Councillor Ward. Can you just say again which which area you wanted our Shaftesbury and Queenstown? So there would be the
the Savannah estate areas, possibly and was the Shaftesbury estate itself, I think there are two areas that could benefit from intervention like this, and the other one is number 13 occurring the mind releasing the body.
I take on board the wonder is that when the concerns that this is delivered in Nine Elms, maybe one things that could be considered as may be going to partnership with PHE 2 5 0 3, for example, on Betty Park Road as a as and bring it into another ward,
down towards St Mary's and covering lavender as well
it's an opportunity where we could build a relationship with a commercial entity already there is an existence for those who they don't know, 35 0 3.
but above the Latchmere pub, it's well integrated, it works very well in, actually de am working with fringe theatre serves a huge history of actually trying out different approaches, so maybe reconsideration, as if this came into the agenda or maybe or a different way of delivering it is to see how we can encourage partnerships between the commercial theatres and projects like this.
could I everyone has given their personal priorities, I, I'm quite a fan of I, I am a big fan, partly because it seemed an interesting project to recognise people, but partly it includes West Hill ward, where there is nothing at the moment and is a bit of a cultural desert.
but can I ask McDonnell, do you want to comment on any of the comments come from from committee members?
he will be helpful.
yeah, there are a few things I just wanted to pick up on, and so starting in reverse order say yes, 5 8 3 35 0 3, take part every year.
I'm not sure I'd classify them as the commercial theatre so, but you know they are they, they're a fantastic community, engage.
dear to organisation, in the butler I, I would say.
you know number 13, the Nine Elms wasn't a negative, as it were, it put potentially a way to get them some funding, so you know all of these projects, we would have loved to have funded all all six of them if there was a bigger funding pot the Nine Elms bit potentially could work in their favour if there is additional CIL funding available.
in a way that there's the other five projects, don't have that opportunity.
with the the All Saints, so my apologies about the oily cow outside.
what sorry, firstly, my apologies.
you're right, they're not, but the sensory project they do is actually posted into people's houses, so it's not asking those families to go anywhere, so that that is what I meant by that.
but, as I said, you know, it's a fantastic project if I had the funding, I'd love to do it, the point of giving them the 558 pounds.
we, I'd be delighted to do that, I would say I would flag.
as as Bruce and Melissa will recall, a lot of the issues we've come up with in WEF projects in the past is where we've given partial awards because they really struggled to then make these projects happen, and it ends up being.
an added stress for those organisations, so in some ways it's only another 342 pounds you know, it's giving a partial award can be more of a hindrance to an organisation delivering something than giving either the full award an or no award.
so I just wanted to to raise that as an issue.
but yeah.
you want to come back on that Councillor Ross, thank you, thank you very much for that explanation, and that is amazing to hear that the oily car actually go into people's homes, so I can see how how those comparisons were made.
I'm just wondering I I I know also Saints Church very well, it has very big congregation, which includes my family.
so I do know it know it well and I don't think it would be too much of a stretch for them to find a another few hundred pounds just to get them up to the 900, so I'm really making a plea for them here.
that, I think, probably amongst their congregation, that it wouldn't be difficult for them to find the difference.
Mr Donald, do you want to say anything about Councillor Warrell suggestion that I am a big fan might take in another ward is with it, would that be possible feasible, yes, yeah, Sylvia is very flexible about doing it as in as many places as possible.
it's a question of funding, so and until until she knows that she has some funding, it's very hard for her to stay, how many different areas she can she can do that that project in because a significant part of the cost is the actual producing of those posters.
the designing and printing in all, and all of that work.
we've got great.
we're sharing the dilemma with you, this is Daryl really good projects, which I'm sure we would like to support there's one person that's argued for the Peruvian dance project, two to four, I'm a big fan and three for the Gulf golden tent.
and the argument a bit on the golden tenancies do we offer them 558 pounds if we put them top, and will we then leave the order unchanged, but you know I mean I'm in your hands as as as committee.
but 3 3 3 of you have argued that that line a bit is that what you're suggesting that the golden tent becomes the top one and then we leave the
yeah yeah, I think, yeah, I, I think, what we, what we might be coalescing around is is using the that gap funding gap to fund number 24 as much as we're able in the hope that they'll be able to backfill that the final part through through the church, so it would, I think, in in the format of the report it would go from being purple to white. Is what we're saying so it was not that it would go to the top of the list, but it would go into the primary list as one of not 11, but 12
and I suppose if, if, if the organisation feel that they then wouldn't be able to deliver, they could have another conversation with officers rather than feel obliged, but I think I think that's that's our proposal Chair.
yeah
yeah, so the Committee agrees that number 24 goes into white with 558 pounds, I think you've done the mass Ms O'Donnell yeah yeah, and then this less reserved list, I think we're just slightly changing the order, where number 41 is at the top of the review and folk dance with suggesting that I'm a big fan is seconds.
the Zimmerman bands his third and then the the order remains the same yeah yeah, and if I'm a big fan comes into play, we're suggesting that Shaftesbury and Queenstown is added if, if at all possible, yeah.
have I summarised that correctly or anyone wants to yeah, because that is that agreed for the reserve list?
good now, it's anyone.
we're gonna go through them all individually, but because there aren't any comments you want to make that I don't want to stop people making a comment, OK and then the 11 ineligible dark brown issues Miu Miu, the colour it looked to me but,
and if any comments or questions.
now so.
we, we agree the
classification has the officers have done good thank thank you very much.
could I thank the officers really for all the detailed work that you've done and we've got some really great projects that cover a range of different ages and interests, and I'm sure we're all starting to put them in our diaries will work well when we know the dates.
Councillor Hamilton, we will look forward to seeing you do your with your South South American dancing yeah, of course I will.
good now, is it anything on the agenda in any other business?
yeah, can we just confirm the date of the next meeting because I think it was?
it is written down incorrectly, so the date of the next meeting is February.
is it Monday, the 5th of February yeah, seven o'clock?
thank you very much committee, thank you officers, thank you, members of the public have a good Christmas, have a good holiday.
thank you goodnight.