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good evening, everyone and welcome to this meeting of the Transport Committee. This meeting is being webcast and some officers may be accessing virtually. We also have a one Councillor attending virtually this evening. There have in recent weeks been some issues with tech, so please bear with us if we experience any technical difficulties for the many fans who are tuning in and listening online tonight, my name is Councillor, Claire Frazer. I am the Chair of the Transport Committee
and in the Chamber I usually do it because I usually get mixed up, I'm going to start with Councillor to my left and get them to introduce themselves this evening, Councillor Malcolm is 21.
Councillor Matthew Taylor, Roehampton Ward
Tony Belsham Battersea Park Ward.
Councillor John Locker, Thames field Ward.
Caroline do refuge on St Mary's ward.
Daniel Hamilton, Barlin Ward, thank you Councillors.
apologies for absence had been received from Councillor Apps, Councillor Pritchard is joining online and also in attendance attendance this evening is Councillor Yeats.
good evening, Councillor Jenny, Yeates from Roehampton ward in Cabinet Member for Transport.
great thank you, all Members are reminded to please ensure your microphones are turned off unless you're speaking when you are called to speak, do please set your name?
and please bear in mind that the committee must remain courts at all times.
we also have a number of officers present online who will introduce themselves when they're speaking, so do bellwethers if we move to one of them as well and to allow them to on mute.

1 Minutes of the Previous Meeting

so, moving on to the items of business this evening and agenda item 1 are the minutes of the last Transport Committee meeting, held on Thursday, the 21 of September are the minutes of the Transport Committee held on this date agreed, and can they sign them as a correct record of the meeting?
thank you, Councillors, and next item of business declarations of pecuniary interests do we have any declarations this evening?

2 Declarations of Interests

3 Chestnut Grove and Boundaries Road Zebra Crossing (Paper No. 23-347)

no, thank you the next item we are, the committee are asked to receive a deputation this evening from Mr Jason Ball under Standing order number 13 in connection with the report on Chestnut Grove and boundaries roads zebra, crossing
this evening, does the committee agree to receive this deputation?
thank you, the committee also needs to consider a procedural matter relating to this evening's meeting, so the Committee have also received request requests from Councillors Joe Rigby and Peter Graham to address the Committee also on the Chestnut Grove paper and on the Birdwood Lane paper respectively and in accordance with the provisions of Standing order 66 A the Committee are required to decide on whether to consent to this request.
are there any objections to the two Councils speaking on the papers discussed, no thank you, Councillors, so moving to agenda item 3, which is the Chestnut Grove and boundary shared zebra crossing Papa,
we have Jason.
great, thank you, Jason, and welcome to the Transport Committee this evening, so I've if you'd like to start, we well allow up to five minutes to speak this evening, I'll try and give you a way of when it comes close at that time if we get to that point, thank you.
OK, thank you for giving the opportunity to this evening to present this deputation on our open by acknowledging and commending the Council putting forward this paper to improve the pedestrian, say safety along Chestnut Grove, I would say I fully support the scheme how this deputation is to,
raised concerns the scheme doesn't go far enough in terms of safety or pedestrian safety.
whilst this modest design
could be putting at risk the the objective of keeping our children safe on our streets over the next few minutes I plan to ask a series of open questions, I will submit these questions to Committee after the meeting for their consideration.
first of all, I wanted to talk about the assessment criteria that's mentioned in the report.
under section point 5
it's unclear what assessment criteria was applied to the Chestnut Groves scheme.
Christian I have for the Council is what assessment criteria was applied to the scheme was at that stage, to traffic volumes or stage 3, wider influencing factors.
I move on to talk about the traffic data, on the assumption that stage 2 traffic volumes and stage 3, wider influencing factors, were applied to this given scheme and to draw attention to the data collected under point 18 quote from the report.
I read this out.
the data shows Chestnut Grove south of boundaries already carries in excess of 300 vehicles peak hour, however if traffic was surveyed a survey was conducted nor for boundaries, although it is likely that the traffic volume would be higher still as it would need to factor in traffic coming off boundaries, Road and Chestnut Grove.
reason why I'm reading out this section of text because I had read a few times understand what this is actually referring to, but it's talking about the section of road directly in the front of Chestnut Grove School.
the statement confirms that either the traffic was omitted from the report, traffic data was omitted from the report or wasn't collected in front of the school gates.
the report confirms that the traffic data
is in effect over 300 vehicles power, this could be an oversight in terms of the measurement of the impact of this traffic scheme on how effective it is to provide a safe walking street fort for this purpose question to the Council did the Council collect data outside the school gates at Chestnut Grove Emwazi over 300 vehicles per hour?
if I move on to the proposed council design, setting that over 300 vehicles per hour will continue on Chestnut Grove, after this intervention of this design implementation, it remains unclear how the children will be protected by this high volume of traffic question the Council did the Council consider the effect of excessive traffic in front of the school gates,
if I move on to talk about the actual mandate of itself as providing a safe walking scheme for the children.
I note the pavement curves have slightly been extended on the corner of Chestnut Grove, however this is a mining to mention the footpath along Chestnut Grove has not been widened to accommodate the large volumes of students question to the Council did the Council determine that when 6,900 pupils spill onto the Chestnut Grove with over 300 vehicles per hour passing by was this considered a safe walking route?
moving on to an alternate design, in January of this year a petition was held for the residents of Henville Road who raised similar safety concerns at this very intersection on the 4th of July deputation was made, whether proposed designs would share with the Transport Committee questioned if the council did the Council could consider these alternate proposed designs and may the Council confirm why they cannot be incorporated into the Chestnut Grove School safety scheme.
and finally called reaction to the Executive, the Executive tonight is being asked to approve this paper and, under section 2 of the report, equates authorise the Assistant Director, traffic and engineering and consult consultation with the Cabinet Member of Transport to amend these plans as necessary prior to the implementation and monitoring of local traffic movements pose implication in sight of my contract traffic management orders subject to satisfactory demonstration of benefits and the resolution of any issues raised.
question to the Council, will the Council engage and consider whether the designs of attendees could be incorporated and enhanced to provide a safe, safe as safe walking route for the schoolchildren?
thank you, thank you very much, Jason Clare, you appreciated.
Councillor Begbie, did you want to come in address?
thanks Jason.
thank you for allowing me to speak, so it was a significant moment when, every single, once with Councillor agreed that our commitment to every parent and year, 6 child in the borough, was that they could walk or cycle to school independently on safe roads and they were sweet words and now our role as the Council is to deliver on this promise. Are we currently doing this on Chestnut Grove? Well, one of the main stakeholders is the Met police and I asked the police
to provide a safe route that we could give to the children they could come and talk to their children about it, and their response was that they couldn't do that because there was no safe route, they described the journey and said that there was no leap. The the only route was to crossroads where there is no legal reason that vehicles must stop to allow pedestrians to cross. So at the moment we're relying on the wet of children to judge the space between cars, vehicles that often weigh up to two tons coming from three directions, and for many months that judgment is made in dark and rainy conditions.
and they do make it, there's lots of near misses as the parents collect, but nobody wants to be the council dealing with the parents of the child who didn't make it.
so I do thank the Committee for voting on this paper, it means an awful lot to the community and I've brought some words of thanks to the officers for putting the paper together, so from neck of Badminton Road, who's been campaigning for almost as long as I have he said I've been worried about the road design on chestnuts and boundaries since my children started Darwin 2018,
the road design railings and mini roundabout are no mark. Pedestrian right of way looks dated and out of step with current thinking, it very much favours separating and controlling pedestrians in order to facilitate faster and less careful passage by drivers and hears from Ronnie's mum as it stands. I'm very concerned that this zone represents a fatality in waiting, and I would like the Council to do something about it as soon as possible. From the deem the parents of a boy about to join Year, 6, who lives on Chestnut Grove, we regularly regularly feel at risk, and my children have witnessed several near misses, which is traumatic crossing boundaries. Road is not a relaxing experience with children. I will feel better knowing there is a safe space, but it isn't just about our children, Charles who lives on Herne Vale and remembers when Councillor Belsham put in the ballroom experiment back in the 70s he went along to those meetings as a much younger man, Charles is now walking with two sticks and I've witnessed Charles trying to maintain his balance. While be aware of traffic coming from three directions and sort of wobbling in the middle, looking incredibly vulnerable,
it's very easy as a non-disabled adult to say the road is not dangerous, the road is dangerous through the eyes of a child, the road is dangerous for an elderly person, the road is dangerous and this is the first piece of traffic calming we've had in the area since Councillor bolton's moment back in the 70s. It's merely a stepping stone on our way to delivering our joint pledge. I welcome Jason's input into how the scheme could be expanded and I thank officers and the Committee for voting for this paper. Thank you
thank you, Councillor Rigby, and thank you for bringing those stories of your local residents for the Committee this evening, so thank you both for your for your deputations, I'm going to to move now to Mr O'Donnell, who's gonna say a few words to introduce the paper for openness for the committee.
thank you, Jess, so just to reminds the committee in relation to the the paper itself, just a quick recap, but it's a series of relatively minor.
traffic changes and layout changes within boundaries, Road Chestnut growth, focusing on the removal of two existing mini roundabouts, the introduction of new pedestrian crossings, a Banton, and a one way restriction just helped, try and control the traffic flow, it's very much on the back of the traffic management criteria in relation to volume,
and it set out focused on the petition received from the two schools in the area and is driven primarily about the desire to improve safety and connectivity for the pupils' of those schools.
if I continue on to the dressing some of the points raised, if that's okay chair, so picking up on some of the points made clearly that the scheme is is not looking and will be putting pupils' at risk, it's actually improving the environment for people's there and answer the questions raised, it's the criteria under the traffic management policy and it meets item B under the policy in terms of volume of traffic and the Council does have data recorded outside the school and we collected some in October it shows are in excess of 300 vehicles per hour, hence the trigger.
for intervention, I would stress that safety in relation to that corridor is not primarily determined via volume, it's determined by interface and conflict risk, just to put that, in context, motorways carry a fifth of all traffic yet only have 5% of fatalities, so it's not about volume, it's about levels of risk and interface, and what we focus on here is the interface aspect in terms of where you are looking to cross the road, how people traverse across the roads and how traffic is turning and moving within that area.
I would suggest there are obviously other plans that are in early fruition, such as ideas around school streets that can compliment it
did we consider alternative designs? Yes, we considered lots of different alternative designs. Lots of different ideas were put forward and considered. It was felt that the bigger you go in relation to this, because there was a network of roads there, the more you will have an impact in terms of displacement of traffic and the dangerous. If you go too big, too early, you will simply upset a lot of people in the area who displaced traffic, there are other things that can be considered and they're not off the table. This is very much a kind of building block, a starter and in relation to elements that can be built upon. So there are other measures that can be added to this in time.
and we feel could be in cupboard and not not taken off the table by this, so we have looked at bringing some of its relatively minor that does provide some immediate impact with, we think, fairly minimal wider displacement impact, and therefore we feel there are merits of taking it forward within the existing budgets that we have in bringing forward some immediate improvements.
thank you.
thank you, he said, I'm OK and I'm going to open up for questions, I see Councillor Hamilton first, thank you very much Chair, I can also begin by giving my thanks to officers for putting this report together, but also to Councillor Yeates for the level of engagement that you said but I think all councillors from the Balsam ward about about this paper we appreciate your courtesy at the time that you put into to doing that.
could I also thank Jason bowlful coming along this evening and he has shared with myself. Councillor Hedges and Councillor would be a copy of his thoughts for how traffic should work in the Balham ward. I know he's put a huge amount of time into those and I look forward to continuing to discuss those with him in the weeks and months ahead and I'd like to open with a question about the scheme and I think this is an important one when you are considering
what is, as in in Councillor, represent words, the largest change to traffic flows in imbalance for for some time, and I of course appreciate that there is a need to act, in particular when it comes to improving road safety, particularly it comes to acting upon some of the concerns that residents have about Chestnut Grove but an opening concern for me if I look at the reports that we have in front of us tonight so the report in relation to Birdwood Lane,
in relation to Mitcham Lane as well. The Birdwood Lane scheme has been extremely heavily consulted upon and the Executive as a result of listening to some of the feedback provided by residents has come back to this committee with some substantial changes to what was originally proposed. Again, when I look at the Mitcham Lane report that we will discuss later this evening, I noticed that there's already been a a round of leafleting and some drop-in sessions that have taken place for residents in their ward would be affected by that developments to have their say, and I'm curious as to why, when it comes to this scheme, the only consultation that is being proposed is after the event is a consultation after this committee has already been asked to vote
on the report and I think it would have been appropriate for that to have taken place before it came to full committee, so I suppose my question is why consultation on other schemes, but not on this one
and I'm I'm happy to be corrected, Joe thank you.
so just just picking up on that question, Gilead, Bernard Lane is is is a vastly different scheme in terms of scale and in terms of roads in in terms of impact, it covers almost a kilometre worth of changes, it transverse is a number of wards, it connects a significant range of roads and involves thousands.
of residents within a network on it.
in this case, what we're talking about, as I mentioned at the start, are relatively minor and traffic changes, so in in the eight years that I've been in post we've seen, I would say probably 100 to 200 schemes of this nature come to committee, where you've talked about a Banton or crossing or relatively minor and traffic changes that have gone to committee with the same level of proposed consultation as in a standardised letter letter drop leaflet.
I think if you went further and looked at some of the ideas which are very good ideas for Mr Ballon and others and you then start to broaden that into a wider area and wider knock-on effects, then I think there is a case to say actually that needs a great deal of consultation but as we feel the impacts are relatively neutral, the measures themselves are a fairly standard one and not unusual and the scale and type of intervention has been too committed this way before we feel comfortable that the the right level of engagement is taking place.
thank you very much and a question also in relation to the scale of this this scheme, and when we had our pre-meeting, it was mentioned that there would be some knock-on effect to the surrounding roads.
I think as a Ward Councillor the road that I receive but with the largest number of representations from in the entire Balham Ward is is Ramsden Road, which of course is an emergency services access route, I understand that there will be a displacement traffic that will go on to Ramsden Road, has there been any sort of further assessment of displacement traffic and would it not be expected that that would be further taken into account and was substantially taken into account when bringing forward a paper of this kind?
yeah, so forgive me, this is knowledge or not, so I wish to start with the basis of just trying to explain it from our perspective and how you tackle these things. So too, to measure displacement that in effect there's two ways of doing it. You will either have to do quite detailed, predictive modelling, so to get an accurate number within a couple of percent of what that impact would be. You have to do surveys of of all of the roads in the area. You have to build what's called a micro-simulation model or, and then you would simulate and run that, to give you a picture to build that in this area and to do what the service would would probably cost you around 40 to 50,000 pounds. We don't feel that's appropriate to the scale of what we've got here. So your alternative, therefore, is to ensure that you conduct a number of surveys within a reasonable range of roads within the area and do my repeated timeframe, which is what we've proposed here, such that we can monitor or actively respond to what we see from those numbers include. The paper allows an opportunity to say that, if there are issues that fall out of that and there are matters that need addressing this flexibility within what we set in the paper to allow intervention and further changes to take place in relation to Ramsden Road, we we we do consult and we have a statutory duty to consult with emergency services thus far, we've had a response and the ambulance service who have confirmed that it's not an emergency group for them that particular wrote we haven't heard back from the fire service but again we would take into consideration their needs and Nehru activity as part of our regular engagement.
if there is this a question in info yeah, OK, you're thinking, no think, it's it, it's actually it's his questions, Councillor Councillor Yeats, just in relation to the the consultation that is proposed after this is this is passed again, Councillor Yeats, thank you. Thank you very much for the the the work that you've done already in speaking to councillors both in the
ruling party, but also the minority party, and clearly there will be some element of consultation that takes place if this report is passed. I would just be interested to understand from you that if there is a demonstrable level of opposition to the scheme from residents in terms of contact, two officers contact to yourself or statistical evidence put forward, to show that residents do not want this to proceed in in this form, what would the trigger be for you to row back on this scanning to reconsider certain elements of it, because clearly the the motion in front of us does give you a huge latitude as as Cabinet Member to interpret what that opposition may mean
yeah, thank you, Councillor Hamilton, yes, so subsequent, you know, to committee approval and Executive approval of the scheme, we'll send letters to residents in the local area.
we will talk to the school about having a couple of droppings at the school, we've already been in touch with Chestnut Grove Hornby House who are very much in support of this scheme, we intend to have an online webpage where residents can leave comments and in the letter to local residents there'll be an e-mail address so there'll be plenty of opportunities for people to comment, of course then you know myself and officers will review very carefully.
the thoughts and comments of residents, and then we will decide how to proceed, is not really possible for me to speculate you know kind of how a hypothetical situation, you know how we would decide to proceed, I do think that Mr Donald has made a really crucial point, which is that we will be doing additional.
traffic counts in surrounding rural roads, particularly in in Balham Ward were very happy to share that with yourself and the Ward Councillors regarding where we're planning to do that additional monitoring subsequent to this meeting, then assuming we proceed with the scheme, we would again repeat those traffic counts. So we can actually look at you know what traffic displacement has actually taken place and then, as Mr Donald has said, you know we could then look at whether you know any further interventions were required, but we would be doing that on the basis of evidence. You know, officers to believe from looking at this situation very carefully and given all the evidence that we have
on traffic flows in the area, which is quite substantial, that, as Mr O'Donnell said, the displacement we do expect it to be actually be quite minimal for a whole number of different reasons that we, we know we discussed more fully last night when we were able to look together.
no, at the map of the area, you know, the displacement that we would anticipate is Mr Donside fairly minimal, particularly in Balham ward, we may expect a bit more in Trinity Ward, we have to see we have to do the monitoring we have to look at, then you know what further intervention could or could not be warranted.
thank you, I am now going to hopefully move online for a question from Councillor C Richard.
say thank you boy, so I can see myself on the backs of the backroom, that's a bit unnerving.
first of all, I am very interested in the scheme I actually happen to live close by and I've been living close by for many years, the this particular scheme actually put back the road arrangements that were probably in place around 2025 years ago when there were no mini roundabouts but with the extra crossings I think I'd probably say as well specifically to all colleagues.
is the safety of children has to be paramount. This is very busy, it is really busy walking along layer when the children are coming out of school. I think there is some staggered arrangements for them coming out, even so, it's a lot of kids or having had a busy day who are just relieved to be out. So I think we should be very happy to have this change. I had one specific one, which was around the parking on the
by the crossing or which is just the end of Sham Road, I just wanted to check, but I'll be taking those car parking spaces out and because.
highway Code rule 20 240 0 1 9 1 says no parking on six sites, but it looks to me as if we're still keeping parking available on zigzags and obviously on those zigzags, just no north of the school, and that does mean, obviously it reduces the sightline for the children.
thank you, Councillor Kirk Chowdhury to Mr Donald.
I'll have to confess to to not being 100% but we'll come back to the Council or what would sounds zigzags is that there is this guidance in relation to how many zigzags you've provide, so you can go up until I think about eight and you can shorten that down to Member standards and I think what we're looking to do is obviously shutting it down but allowing an element of flexibility around that but I will come back confirming that point because it's not specifically referenced in it.
thank you.
OK, thank you, Councillor Taylor.
thank you Chair.
I'd like to talk about paragraph to see, which is the installation of a raised zebra crossing on boundaries road.
my concern whenever we talk about raised parts of roads is blind or partially sighted people and
without full sight, it can be hard to know whether one is on.
the pavement or the road if there's no distinction between in level between the two things, so could you please tell us a bit about how that will be made safe for visually impaired people and will the raised seed progressing be distinct from a tactile perspective?
yeah, I I would assume again in relation to that, it's fairly standard when you try and correct him, and that is flesh, that you use tactiles to help distinguish that for those with visual impairments, so I would expect to be part of the scheme in relation to allowing the differentiation,
OK, thank you, Councillor Lakha.
sorry pinky, I'd like to thank officers and everyone who has worked on the scheme, and there are a number of positives, I think it's good to see the additional crossings.
and I think the removal of the roundabouts makes sense, I'm also very pleased to see the current build-outs, it is interesting, just noting, though some of the proposals for the sort of I must get my geography wrong, but the South West.
on the map on page 13, where there's the proposal for the the model but basically making it a little bit of boundaries road one way.
I would just like to flag, particularly to the Cabinet Member, that I do have a recollection that we have had a number of residents in that area before get in touch with us on Roe, from road marios road, et cetera, about traffic problems there and I think we did consult with them. So I do think it would be worthwhile in that sort of section of Trinity making sure that they are properly consulted and I take your points that you made earlier about consultation, but I think it's just worth making sure that they're not missed out and that they're involved
because it will have an impact on them if it does go beyond the crossings at the top of the page.
so thank you
thank you, Councillor Lock, I'm gonna move to Councillor MIA because I know I'm just because I know that he might have something to add on that point yeah, thank you just say yeah, so we've had, as you can imagine, a large amount of correspondence with residents on Rotherham Road prior to this paper coming out we offered a meeting similar to the briefing the the
colleagues had weren't able to arrange one, but my understanding based on the correspondence I have had and feedback from the those who are active on the WhatsApp group that has been well received because it should have the beneficial impact of disincentivising people from using that as a cut through because you would have no incentive to get to that point on boundaries road because you would then have to have a
further way round.
so that's the initial understanding and obviously we are quite close in contact with those residents and where that to change over the next couple of weeks would, of course feed that back into the Cabinet Member.
OK, thank you, I'm just looking round to check if we've got any further questions or points to raise.
now on.
yeah, come on, Councillor Lock, sorry, just one more just.
I think it's probably worth just just asking officers to confirm why the choice of a zebra crossing at the top of boundaries road as opposed to a push-button style.
crossing to say that everyone in the Committee is aware and and and any residents.
there's there's a number of factors behind that when one is timing, because you have to programme those kind of works with tearfully, and unfortunately they are kind of 12 18 months away from anything new coming to him as a request, the this cost in relation to that and also you require sort of quite a big footprint for some of the deducting work and one and where the signals are set which we need to acquire a tight pavement space there, so we feel that there's a better one and a safer and simpler arrangement with with the zebra crossing there.
great. Thank you, yes, I think I just if I'm using a chair, and I think that was all the questions, but because we've received an amendment for this item. Sorry, before we move to the vote, shall me to Councillor Hamilton to introduce your amendment. Yes, thank you. Thank you very much, Chair and again, if I can just reiterate what I've said this evening about thanks to two officers and Councillor Yeates for putting together this proposal
and we offer this amendment not in the spirit of opposition to the scheme, not in terms of trying to be obstinate, not in terms of trying to be political in terms of putting forward an amendment to this proposal, but what I do think we, we do need to consider as this Council and as this committee particularly given the
long-standing number of complaints that had been in Balsam about displaced traffic, about the impact of various schemes on Ramsden Road and the surrounding roads in particular, that we do need to take a bit of a pause before putting forward and progressing this particular report so what's being recommended here and is that we defer this scheme and conduct a full consultation amongst residents about the scheme that those findings are reported back to a future committee and that we're able to really see as Councillors the level of public support or indeed opposition that may exist in relation to the scheme.
and similarly, I would like to see in in more details is put forward in point B of the amendment, a more substantial assessment of the impact of impact of displaced traffic around not only the Balham Ward but also the Trinity Ward which also be impacted by this scheme and I would also like to see that reported back to the Committee as reported on point B of the amendments and finally just that assessment of the potential impact of the scheme on the emergency services access route on Ramsden Road, so this is very much an amendment in the spirit of gathering more information gathering more perspectives,
really speaking to residents before passing something, and I would urge the committee to support that the same, thank you, OK, thank you, do you have a former a seconder and that they think I think, with Councillor Elissa John for that Councillor Belsen, so you have a question related to the
amendment
yeah yeah, go ahead, you out, I wanted to check that.
Councillor Rigby was so nice as to refer to a scheme I was associated with 45 years ago, I hate to be reminded that that was true.
and we call it the balanced traffic and environment scheme.
the it was very, very ambitious and comprehensive, it involved clause 30 40 barriers and goodness knows what it was fantastic that the interesting, I think, the one thing I would have learned from it is that we tried to do too much too quickly, I think it would be welcomed nowadays but the traffic wasn't quite the same level.
what I think I learned from that, therefore, is it's an iterative process and perhaps a developmental one, and I think the residents of the area and the schoolchildren concerned and the people concerned about it need some action now and I don't think for one moment that the cabinet members suggesting that this would be a last or necessarily a last step we're doing this as I understand it to try and cope with a today problem and if there are ramifications that,
arrears which we hadn't foreseen, and I think in the nature of these schemes that's often the case then will be open for consideration of how it could be amended or developed in future, nothing is likely to be a final.
cottonwood that use can I ask about both final conclusion as to alter the
add to the problem, I think this is a good place to start from limited, but good will to learn from what that results from it, and we can reconsider in the fullness of time year, 2 years, 3 years who knows depending how it's worked, so I think we should get on with it now and whilst recognising the spirit in which the amendment was moved suggests that we've rejected and get on with it proposed as suggested,
thank you, Councillor bout, it's always interesting to hear about like what you've done in the fact that you might not relish the amount of time OK, I have been OK with that in mind, I'm gonna move, so we take a vote on the amendment so for all those in favour of the amendment please raise your hands.
3 and all those against.
for again say the amendment falls, so with that I then move on to the substantive sorry asked the Committee whether they are now willing to agree to support the recommendations to Executive in paragraph 2, which run from A to G, I'm just gonna look,
are we happy to take a to gee him, full okay, so all those in favour of the recommendations in paragraph 2?
thank you and all those against.
and any abstentions.
thank you very much, and thank you, colleagues, so that concludes the item of business on Chestnut Grove, thank you again to those who joined us for four deputations this evening, okay.

4 Burntwood Lane (Paper No. 23-348)

so, moving on to agenda item 4 and Burwood Lane paper, Councillor Graham, can I ask you to come and addresses please.
thank you very much what, unusually but pleasingly, I've come to give credit where it's due and in particular to thank Councillor Yeates for her very constructive and conscientious approach over the last few months in engaging with us as ward councillors in Wandsworth Common,
the backdrop to this, as obviously the consultation which will, as you'll see in your packs, had overwhelming local opposition to the previous scheme, and on my last appearance at this committee you will recall that I I warned about a number of those elements, so we are very pleased to see as a result of the engagement that we've had the mini roundabouts now retained the speed tables and,
bumps removed and the shared footways and bus bypasses are removed from the scheme. We think this makes it a a much better scheme. Likewise, although one could interpret the consultation results as showing opposition to cycle lanes altogether, we think that what's proposed in the middle section, which is removing the chicanery and effectively replacing the chicanes with cycle lanes, is a reasonable approach and one that should go to the residents for their points of view. I would note that normally we get a bit more analysis of consultations. I can remember 15 20 pages worth of analysis of consultations in the past, rather than just one page, but perhaps that tells its own story about the
open and shut nature of residence opposition to what was previously there. We have to say that the the initial feedback we've had from residents to what's now proposed has been very positive and they are pleased, so essentially I just have two bits of information that I'd like to Arcel to be in the consultation and to us, which are not Major Ross again for what the consultation could go on to suggest. So the two bits of information are one proper information on costs, so the costs are left very vague in this paper, and I think it's right that residents know how much will come out of the section 1 0 6 pot that's there from Springfield to to pay for this, so we would like the option to be was put forward to be properly costed so they can see that
the second is something that Councillor Birchall will have a go at me out of, I don't mentioned it to you, which is that the Springfield hospital site has a new entrance, which has not been reflected properly on any of the previous plans, because the existing plans reflect the old roll-out and we would like to see the actual road layout as it now exists in the consultation documents and what goes forward to residents, and I think that is something that should be possible. So those are two bits of information. The two asks, hopefully again, not too problematic, but the first is it that there's a gas main down the middle of Bruntwood Lane, which is very likely to have to be replaced in in the near future. So we would like these these proposals if they go ahead and if the consultation is not positive, to allow that that to take place first and also for them the road to be resurfaced. In fact, we might well find that resurfacing the road does as much or more to help cyclists, as the cycle lanes would give them the state of it, so that's not something that's here, but I understand that the administration isn't against that in principle and if it could be a commitment in the consultation, I think residents would very much appreciate that.
the second relates to the
Beechcroft junction, so if you see, on page 30 of the pack 16 of the paper, the mini roundabout at the top of top of the road, which, due to the junction with Beechcroft,
we're pleased that that's being retained. There's a a new zebra crossing on essentially on the right-hand side of the page, which is away from injunction which will allow cycles to come across whether the cycle lanes we think that's fine. However, the two zebra crossings that are right on the junction seem like a very awkward layout to us and, from the point of view just of road safety, we actually feel that it would be an improvement either to set those zebra crossings back from the junction somewhat, which is the case for the zebra John zebra crossing. That's proposed the ABO injunction, either to set them back or to have just the central reservations, possibly slightly wider, central reservation, so that people can get across because with the zebra crossing right on top of the junction, that will make life very difficult for traffic going round it if someone steps out, so we're not convinced that that's been got quite right, but that that is the essential sort of small tweak level of our opposition now, rather than the major concerns we have before, so I repeat my thanks to Councillor Yeats and I hope that the Committee will be able to include those things in the consultation when it goes forward. Thank you.
thank you very much Councillor game and move to you, Mr. O'Donnell, for an introduction.
thank you Chair, so just to briefly reintroduce the papers, so this is looking at a series of walking, cycling and environmental improvements to the corridor along a key road Birmingham Lane, which is to be 2 to 9, which is a classified east-west distributor road linking Trinity Road and part of the Transport for London network would Garrett Lane it's part of the Council's strategic road network and clearly has a lot of associated links.
and keep the settings, including school associated with it, hence there was a significant consultation as a place, and officers and Councillors have worked together, including, obviously, local councillors, key input to try to revise what were the kind of four or five main sort of concern areas and as Councillor Gruen very helpfully,
outlines those revisions have been directly as a result of the feedback we had, which were grateful for, and the amended scheme. Now we feel taking in sections. It is now a point where we feel a lot of those concerns have been addressed. There are now more minor points to be had.
The key point I would make is that the scheme is very much in outline design and therefore a lot of the the OSC will come in the detailed design to follow if I'm OK to to continue changed. So, picking up the specific points, for example, raised so in relation to information around costs, it really is down to the detailed design. There's a lot of factors that will heavily influence those costs. So, for example, as you'd probably expect, would Majola there's a lot of states and utilities within the road and we have to get detailed estimates from the companies that does take months to look at how we work around those
and that would be quite a significant element, along with other factors of of design. So final whips based on a topographical survey that we've done, you know, and looking at integrating a lot of the elements within that working around the Springfield development. Looking at the the final, agreed elements which have changed obviously quite substantively in part, so we will get to a a detailed estimate, but not at this point, so we've given indications within the paper just to give you an idea of that, but we're more than happy to share and that far less, but once that work has been done equally in relation to put around sprinklers foresight, yes, we will ensure the actual letters exist will be shown on there. It's just we happen to use what's called the OAS tiles Ordnance, Survey tiles, which have the old layout on them, but we will reflect that. We've also been in very active dialogue with Southern Gas Networks in relation to the gas main
I made it very clear that our preference is very much to try and facilitate, then coming in early, get their works done and out of the way, and we will try and allow as much time for that as possible to went Rush the scheme for the sake of it, because what we don't want us to do that and have it's been affected going on. So the intention and desire is to get them in early, get them out of the way and then, once that is done, we can deliver the main scheme and I I believe, that there is agreement in principle to look at full resurfacing of the road subject to available funds and that we have within the scheme. So that is a good outcome and a clear outcome, and one and certainly had in relation to the Beechcroft junction and the mini roundabout again. There's there's an indicative layout in relation to where the crossings would be. There's a fine balance to be had between ensuring the clock the crossings are close enough to the junction. People want to cost at that point and won't basically ignore it and cross where they want to cross, as opposed to walking further down and then also ensuring that they are safe in relation to where they are laid out and not as he not right on top of the junction, we don't think they are, but in relation to not causing safety issues from cars then being held or at a point where it causes issue,
any scheme like this to the detailed design process would go through an independent safety audit so that will be looked at and we will seek to refine the exact proximity or where we feel the right balance between safety and desire line is achieved with where those crossings allocated, I think that Blasi answer the points.
OK, thank you, Mr Donald okay, I have seen Councillor Lucas and first.
thank you Chair, and I have two questions I have one for Councillor Graham and one for Mr O'Donnell, do you have any preference which order I do them in?
OK so, Councillor Great Graham, thank you very much for coming to speak to us and I am really pleased that you and the Ward Councillors have engaged with the Cabinet Member on this, and this scheme is coming forward it, I'm really pleased to see it.
I just had one question I'm perhaps, unlike Councillor Tiller, I'm quite a fan of raised zebra crossings.
because I think, unlike speedbumps they don't go quite get the crunch of vehicles going over them because the way that they're ramped up and they're then level for a longer period, we use them to quite good effect on Battersea Church Road a few years ago where the residents didn't want speed bumps but they wanted some interventions and we put it I think, to zebra crossings in.
I take it, though, from the response at the moment the residents were very firm against what not wanting speed bumps for the noise and issues and disruption, etc. I just wondered, Is there may be scope for, or perhaps that using the crossing at the top of Bentley Lane point Sandgate Lane as perhaps a little bit of an experiment says residents could see what it was like whether or not it did have an impact etc.
and see if there was any benefit of that.
so, yes, the issue for us is a that Bernard Lane is a major route, is the HTV route.
obviously, under the previous administration we put speed tables in on McGlynn, right the other side, and that caused a huge issue at first until H Jeeves were banned from that road, and now we're just regular traffic down and that's fine.
obviously it is not possible to ban HGVs everywhere and this is the place where they're left travelling, so it's got to be compatible with that traffic and they do as as the skip trucks do as well make noise when they go over so yeah, I think potentially that if the the houses immediately.
just just set off the Sandgate Lane junction, where we're happy with it that that would potentially be one place to put it if it was going to be done, because it is immediately adjacent to trees on the one side and a playing field on the other with just some houses slightly set back so that that might be appropriate.
I think the problem with the ones further down is that they're just too close to the residential properties, given that the level of HTB traffic, but there is.
thank you, and then my question for Mr O'Donnell is just once again looking at this Beechcroft Road, Bedford Lane junction, I am struggling to think of other junctions that operate like that, whether you would have the mini roundabout and two zebra crossings on arms leading into it.
he may be able to give me some examples will tell me where it's been tried and tested elsewhere in the borough.
the other thing I thought is perhaps you might want to explain why for these crossings, because I can understand that it's important for the desire line and allowing pedestrians that you'd want to have a crossing there, why at these points once again a bit like my previous question and the other paper?
zebras have been chosen rather than push-button.
if so, just just suggest those points, there are obviously other examples of where many roundabouts, one and two or more zebra questions have been applied across London, we can certainly provide examples within the borough and beyond, I know from my own career I've done it in various areas so it's relatively standard.
the dangers didn't alleviate particular desire lines because the there's normally multiple roads linked to it that it will associate with the one to go, so an answer why why at those points are part of the the study work involved, lots of visual on-site observation and where people work both formally and informally moving or across the road and we took feedback from residents, we looked at elements around sort of crossing numbers, type of user of the crossing,
and we fed that information in from both our own observations and of the consultant as well.
and we feel that there they are picking up where people wanted to get across the road and the feedback we had from people with was at times, indicating that saying I'd like it to be here because that was picked up in some of the feedback we had previously.
thank you and Nicola have any other questions on this Councillor Burgess.
it also, I guess, just to add, I'm just looking on Google Street View now and to confirm memory, but there are refuges at exactly almost exactly those points on the mid lane anyway so people crossed there, so why not make it safer rather than informally? I suppose, as a lament those apologies, Councillor, should've added as well. Sorry just I, I missed you on the point around. Why not signals again going back partly issue putting lots of sequences and, as you will add, further saturation and traffic delay along the road compared to zebras, along with all the cost and other issues
May just come back, yeah yeah, absolutely I know I appreciate it's a not a problem because, yeah, you do want to facilitate that and make the crossing that's already happening safer. I think the reason I'm asking about it is just understanding you know if a vehicle stops comes up to that point and it's coming up to a mini roundabout and then can't get on to the mini roundabout because there's oncoming traffic coming round it, it could be stopping right on a zebra crossing, and that's my fear really is that that actually, I think, actually takes away the safety for the pedestrians crossing if there's a vehicle stopped on a legitimate leaks, it can't pull out and get onto the roundabout
yeah again we've we've sort of done Iron Assessment around, I know from my own experience that I'd never my livestock to zebra crossing because I know not to or as a Dr and I think majority motorists don't do that because it's just a natural instinct not to do so, so we wouldn't expect that as normal behaviour from a driver, we've also got to ensure that, through the design and again through things like the men's safety audit, these sort of things are tested. You know, we're not gonna sit here and say it's perfect, we're gonna save through the detailed design, will look at those kinds of issues to ensure we can satisfy ourselves and will be independently tested that they're not gonna create issue in relation to where drivers stop and any safety implications from them.
OK, thank you, I think that a question online now.
thank you Chair.
it's got the things I wanted to comment on, first of all, I cycled down that road a lot and I'm actually so glad that we're going to be doing something about it, because obviously we wish to be encouraging people to cycle but that is one off and that is why the Avenue route because you can't go through the middle of the park therefore the sub for cyclists and I'm very pleased that we're going to have changes I'm particularly interested about where the crossings will be for Springfield Park, I think it's worth saying is that.
partly because what are the papers, I was looking at just to confirm that we're going to we've got a lovely new park for everyone to use, and obviously one of the things that should be.
would be good, it will be good about these changes, and particularly the crossings is to make it easier for people to go to the park, so could Mr O'Donnell highlight where these crossings are going to be?
and yeah, basically that's what I was after thank you.
just to pick up on out of the habit conversation offers in relation to this and we're still looking at options around that so again, as part of the detailed design we will, we will revert back to councillors with some thoughts around the precise locations of that because it will be influenced by a number of factors as I've outlined earlier in terms of utilities what's in the grounds desire lines wider to the adjacent crossings, proximity junction, etc etc so we will lay out a couple of options around that and present that.
OK, thank you it, it may help with committed to note that the bottom of page 28, the zebra crossing therein, at bottom box, essentially the whole of the the bottom of the page, there is Springfield Park and that zebra crossing is serving it coming just above Openview.
thank you very much.
just looking around if you've got any further question, Councillor me August.
I just wanted to go back to something that was raised at the last meeting of the two-tier teaching of the healthy streets forum, it was raised by a member of that group.
on behalf of people with sight loss and impaired vision that we don't have the pavement and a cycle lane on the south side on the same level, so I just wanted to ask officers if that's being taken into account because I know that was saying there was also came up in the consultation people were very opposed to him but particularly with who is on a hill, so I just seek some reassurance that that isn't what we're going to end up with.
yeah yeah, good point, Councillor Ginny, St we, we've we've discussed with Councillors in relation to this one and just to say there are a number of different design types it can be adopted. Looking at the differentiation of levels, cost will be a key factor in that. So at the minute we try to get a good sense of, rather than say, what it will be excellent. That becomes an extortionate, challenging difficulty in terms of cost and maintenance. Et cetera, we think or a small differentiation will work better, and we're looking at that in a minute in terms of how that's applied any implications of debt and the cost of assets. Again, this is part of the detailed design. We will come back with ideas around
right thank you very much, just looking round, I don't think there are any other questions.
yeah, I've just passed it to Cabinet Member.
yeah, thank you Chair if there's no more questions, yes, I just wanted to thank the Ward Councillors for their inputs and then everyone at the healthy streets forum, which Councillor May Walker, has referred to for their inputs unfortunately I wasn't able to attend that because I was unwell but,
I had a full report on that and I'm very glad it could be discussed there as well, and thank you to officers for consulting the headache bandwidth school, who was happy to hear that we're moving forward and in favour of the scheme, so I think that's all all these inputs have helped to, obviously they've helped to shape the way forward. Obviously these schemes are compromise, you know some
some cycling groups would have liked the scheme to have gone further, but I think you know it, it is a good scheme, it will really improve that road for all road users. It's a road, I know very well I used to cycle down it very regularly when I volunteered for a year at a school street in Tooting, and I think it is a mess. It does need improvement and this scheme will will make it a much better road. I'm very keen that we do get on with it. I think the Committee, the previous iteration of this committee, first approved the objectives of this scheme back in September 2020, which is now 3 years ago. So you know, it's gonna be four years by the time, it's all finally in place. I'm I do take Councillor Greaves point about the the gas works and we'll do everything we can to ensure that you know that's got on with before this goes ahead. And yes, we very much want to see this road resurfaced as part of this scheme. So anyway, yeah, thanks to everyone, for their inputs, and you know, hopefully we can you know, move ahead,
thank you, Councillor Yates said I think, with that and safe, to move to the vote on this, so the Committee are being asked whether they agree to support the recommendations in paragraph 2 of the report, so can I ask all those in favour to please raise their hands?
thank you say that is unanimous and say the vote carrier, so thank you very much and count thank you, Councillor Graham, for your time this evening.

5 Mitcham Lane (Paper No. 23-349)

OK, next, we move to agenda item 5, which is Mitcham Lane, we don't have any, we have no further deputations this evening, so I am going to move straight to you, Mr. O'Donnell, to say a few words of introduction.
thank you Chair. So this presents results of traffic. We're looking at the junction of Mitcham Lane and Southcroft Road. Within the first down Ward, it looks at the replacement of the existing mini roundabout at that junction or replacing, with the traffic signalised arrangements to improve road safety and pedestrian accessibility. There are some further public realm, improvements outside the shops, on Mitcham Lane proposed and obviously seeking to improve the pavement appearance of the footways there, and we've also referred to some initial engagement around the cycle lane corridor improvements, which has shown support initially from the local community. Thank you
thank you, Mr O'Donnell, do you have any questions on that one?
Councillor Lakha.
I thank officers for the the paper, again, it's great to see this scheme because it's been discussed for a while, so it's great to see it come to a final paper for approval, and if I could just say as well and make a bid for the urban realm, improvement works on it because I always think,
as well as the nuts and bolts and engineering works that you haven't with crossings, et cetera, trying to improve the urban environment is a really important part of that whole strategy of encouraging more people to walk and to cycle, so thank you,
thank you, Councillor Locker and you've got any questions online yeah I'll go to cash, go to Councillor Pritchard online.
thank you very much Chair.
if you could bear with me slightly on this, I have a good story to tell, I was on the plane to Zurich, reading my papers and I happened to sat next to a young man and we got talking.
and he he lifted, have got, he was living in Southcroft Road and Ofsted, isn't this folly, I'm just reviewing this this traffic scheme, what do you think he said My God, that's a total death trap rather than that corridor, and what you'll put yeah, it looks really useful, really good for both pedestrians and for drivers because he also said coming around the corner as a driver was
very good was very difficult, sorry, I was just going to say it sounds like OK, I I, you know, I was one vox pop, but it sounds like it's reasonably, it's a sensible move, that is a difficult corner and it looks like there'll be a boost to the shops. It was supported by the ward councillors and I'm very pleased that it should be going ahead.
thank you, Councillor C Richard, freeing your international examples of.
however, our Transport Committee agenda this evening.
just to check, have we got any other.
points to query, to raise no okay with that, I'm going to move to the vote then, and thank you, Councillor C Richard again, so the Committee are being asked whether they agree to support the recommendations in paragraph 2, so that's A to G, so can I ask all those in favour of Mr please raise their hands and that is unanimous, so thank you all for that. One
and then moving on to something else, which I believe probably Councillor C Richard will probably have a comment on, is agenda item 6 as the zebra crossing on Franciscan roads.

6 Zebra Crossing on Franciscan Road (Paper No. 23-350)

Mr O'Donnell, did you want to say a few words on this one before we begin just a very brief introduction, so this came from a petition received in August of this year from Franciscan Primary School asking the Council to improve some of the safety measures and install a formal crossing on Franciscan Road near the junction with Chase Field Road. One of the officers have followed up now. I am proposing to bring this forward, which initially has a strong support locally and therefore we're proposing this gets uproot
lovely thanks very much Mr O'Donnell, and we got any Councillor Lakha. Yes, I'd also like to strongly endorse this paper. I've been a governor at Franciscan school for 20 years now, of course, since I moved to London and we've had a very good system where we had a longstanding, very popular school crossing patrol officer who unfortunately retired recently, and basically the school has really struggled not been able to find a replacement, so this crossing will be really helpful and much valued and the quicker it can be in the better. Basically, if it be in full start of next term, that'd be great
thank you.
Mr. Dunne, I and E, and can you push it, I'm gonna put you on this for a year.
it was just to try to look away, then.
obviously, year were subject to what we've got resource wise, we will do our best because we know that it is well supported, thank you, Councillor.
we will try and programme something in his best we can.
but I can't make absolute concrete promises around it,
thank you for a true politicians, that's the the Mr. Harris, they're done.
Councillor Councillor C Richards,
thank you, yes, it's it's good to hear from Councillor McKenna as well, I know that he and the governors have been very supportive as him, as is the Head, and obviously we're pleased something that's gonna happen.
I would be my only question, it's back on the zigzag lines and the parking and is can we have a look at making sure that we don't end up with parking, obscuring the sight lines, I know that we, there's been a change to put the
bicycle rack in near Bow near the crossing to
which you can see through, but yeah, I have an obsession about these about sorry, I haven't obsession about making sure we don't park on zigzag lines, and I think the other thing I'd like to add is that this will be the second crossing on Francisca Road, which is also road. That is where it's very easy to speed because it's downhill, so I'm really pleased that we've got something else that will act to help slow the traffic down and also
obviously it's going back to children it easier for the children to get to school, and I also hear that it's likely to make it easier for them to get switched shot after school.
thank you, Councillor Cook, Chairman, Sir Donald.
just the same, in relation to its visibility in, and the and the zigzag lines, there is incites of parking proposed and that will aid the visibility in relation to the crossing, so as proposed, we then feel there have been issues in terms of visibility, but again it will go through its own sort of safety checks but as as as set out we feel visibly to be absolutely fine.
thank you very much, are there any other points or queries on this item?
if count Councillor C Richard, is your hand, raised is an old hand, or is it to come back to something, as Sir John said, sorry is an old hand, that's OK, just just like to check his with that I'm going to move to a vote on this item now as the Committee are being asked whether they agree to support the recommendations in paragraph 3 parts A to C all those in favour of this please raise your hand and let's unanimous again say thank you all.

7 Update on the Wandsworth Walking and Cycling Strategy (Paper No. 23-351)

agenda item 7, moving on is the update on the walking and cycling strategy, so I think.
Jackson A yeah, Mr tiddly, sorry, yeah, so we're gonna move to the other end of the table and a move away from Mr O'Donnell for this item, thank you for that, thank you Chair on David tiddly the how the transport strategy
this paper, William has his origins 12 months ago, when the the Committee approved the new walking and cycling strategy for the borough and and it was agreed that we would come back 0 on about an annual basis and just report on on on progress to date, it's not intended to be a full, comprehensive review of everything the Council does in support of walking and cycling, but it provides some some headlines and some. Yes, some areas where we've made make good progress, particularly in things such as the delivery of the school streets, projects and delivering more cycle parking, and also Members will refer him will recall the at the last meeting of this Committee when it agreed to put a programme for the management of the bikes and
e-scooters in the borrower, and I know, as I've mentioned, they were all some things which we barely touched on in this report that are very important programmes such as as programme, the school travel plans and that programme of cycle training.
in terms of looking forward, took to what we plan to do now for the next 12 months or so, or as has been reported on this agenda and with a PO or a paper, full boom Wood Lane on this agenda and the other.
capital or highway projects. Those are probably the areas I think, of where we will expect to see significant progress now in the next 12 months, that those schemes which involve Morton you know more public engagement and is slightly longer gestation periods and development periods and then we'd expect to see some of those coming forward and said to to reinforce the the the the improvement of a bit of of the brothers' loads and the allocation of space in favour of walking and cycling.
with that, I think I'll properly.
have said enough really, and I'll just leave it there and obviously take any questions that Members have, thank you.
thank you very much, Mr tiddly and cats me August.
can I take this opportunity to congratulate Mr tiddly on his new role as he so subtly mentioned in there. I'm really just a to tackle and pay tribute to to the team as active travel champion. I know the areas on active travel are an always easy, but we've seen this evening I think some of some great schemes coming through, as you say, in a collaborative manner which is really really pleasing to see just to highlight as well the kind of cycle Parking Strategy which is currently in draft mode and for members of the opposition. If you want to feed into that, please do have a look at it and we can follow up after and feed in. We haven't had a kind of strategic approach to it in the past, and this is a really good opportunity to do that and, as we know, safe storage and of availability of cycle parking is a key barrier to wider uptake so great to see that, so just to know, thanks for any
thank you, Councillor, IT and Councillor Hamilton, and Councillor Dennis as well.
thank you very much, Chair, and apologies substantively for asking the same question I asked in our pre meets.
but I think it'd just be useful updates for those that are dialling into the meeting this evening, and the first will be just to get a bit an update on the progress of the Totterdown Street scheme, which I think is a a great scheme and I'm really personally excited to see it realised so a bit of an update about where that stands at the moment would be would be great and also a clarification for those that may be looking at page 55 and noticing that the targets in relation to the percentage of trips undertaken in the borough and the percentage of ones with residents doing at least 20 minutes of active travel a day you'll notice the current values are missing.
it'd be great that you could share the reasons for that again, Mr tiddly, I think it would be of interest to those that are tuning in thanks.
thi thank you for that the Totterdown scheme has been fully consulted upon and the intention is to implement the schemes as quickly as possible, but clearly it will will will private, I provide you with written comments and to you know to do with more precise stats on that in terms of the
the percentages which are missing.
the those are simply that there are no more updated figures since the last time we reported due to the the periodic nature of Transport for London, the are are providing that published information so again, as that changes, we will clearly update those figures, thank you.
thank you, and just yet Councillor sorry, scattered as John and then Councillor Belton.
I, I had a few questions but managed to do one and then Councillor Bolton and can come back, and I am, I urge, him happy if, if you are to, if if if, if it suits you to to to find out by bullets but it is,
we are ahead of this meeting on all of us around the table received.
comments or feedback from from the living streets group and the Wandsworth Cycling campaign, I know she's reading through it, and it's always very.
so are comments that they send us, so is really welcome and then makes them put EASEL scathing comments about progress on the walking and cycling strategy, and so on and the next 12 months and in long-term sort of strategy I was wondering if the Cabinet Member had any comments or reaction when she actually saw those e-mails from them.
yeah, thank you contact the message hall, yes, I read the comments from living streets and from the wanted cycling campaign with interest you know they made a number of useful points I think that,
you know, we're making a lot of good progress since we came in in May 2022
you know, we put this strategy to the Committee, we made it much more ambitious than in the previous draft, under the previous administration we've been working very hard and very pleased with the progress on the installation of bike hangers, which has increased enormously since we came into office we've made very good progress on school streets,
and you know clearly we've been working really hard on,
some of the major schemes, as Mr Ted Lee referred to, we've got the Birdwood Lane scheme moving ahead now, Queenstown Road is a big priority, hopefully we'll be bringing that to the to the next Committee again, a scheme that's been under development for some years and which I'm really really keen to see moving forward and which will really help our cyclists, that's incredibly busy stretch of road for cyclists, so yes, I think you know we're getting on with it we obviously face constraints in terms of officer time and financial resources, but I think that you know
we've got a good, ambitious approach, we've got clear targets and we're getting on with it,
thank you, Councillor decision, did you have some other short?
and thanks to them, I think we will appreciate no, please do not not always as easy as it as one things.
I am just a couple of sort of questions or some sort of excuse on page 59, where you're talking about this problem, for the officers, work on talking about top quality cycle network and work on Queenstown Road, Garrett Lane and Beaumont Lane have continued to progress, I was just wondering what on Garrett Lane what have you actually done in terms of improving?
it is sadly experience.
John Mr Tylicki, on the towers, I met to take it if you want to start with, just to say that we had a series of papers on Garrett Lane, and there was a scheme, I think, a recent paper that came that that set out the fact that we would
taken forward a kind of trial scheme Guardian which I'm sure you'll recall that this set out the various ones and interventions, and the intention now is to move forward or that in one looking at making that more permanent and adding further features to it, but Mr Tidy might want to add further to that.
thank thank you, yes, so due in the ICL going back to the lockdown now, when we introduced sort of temporary arrangements on Garrett Lane, in the form of once and and and better segregation along there, and those that elements those elements have been made permanent and there are designs that have been produced that would,
again, add more to that, I think it's fair to say that the other schemes you mentioned Queenstown Road particularly is more advanced and are likely to come to committee earlier than the Garrett they will, thank you.
I I guess if he looks at the Park, Gavin Lane form from Athwal station or the way to Summerston bang out, it's a horrible though, to cycle on and I'm just wondering, what does it actually be resurface? It is an absolute nightmare, but beyond that stretch of the road I can't see anything has been done in that all the the. There is a detailed design input that's been produced for that is up for that part of the road but, as I said, it would be subject to consultation and availability of funding and we are just more advanced on other projects and than than that one at the moment.
and this is his last question was on the the comments about Audre oed York Wade, which in the next 12 months you can't was a permanent scheme.
are you saying that which office I'm talking to here, but are you just looking at owed York, Road or are you looking at? I guess what I'm trying to say is one should be looking at cycle lane from Wandsworth run about all the way to Van der Corner the van Land Street, not just owed York Road alone, because actually the whole it is not safe in Salford and that whole journey, so I'm trying to say and I have some ideas in terms of what can be made better. Certainly, if you've got ideas, Councillor would be very happy to talk to you about them, but I think there were two things here. One is the improvement of old York mode, which Members will know ha has had a sort of the ability of the businesses on their to put out tables and chairs, and there were planters and other things in the street now and one of wow wow there's one thing which is to effectively replace that by a more permanent sustainable final design because it's it's showing its age and it was only intended as a temporary period and then for the temporary period and then the second element is to to have a.
a borough-wide cycle network effectively, an A and A report is currently due to come to the Committee next.
the next cycle, hopefully with ideas about how its cycle network would help what could be delivered and help stitch the BOA together, so I think there were two sets of things there that the collectively will do what you want.
I guess that's what I'm trying to say in terms of it is all very well to improve Old York Road, which definitely needs doing, but actually these of the bit that leads to it and a bit that comes out of it also needs to be looked at because it's actually quite dangerous if I'm here in the corner over there when you get on to Barnard Road that that sort of contraflow cycle lane and so that's what I'm trying to say.
I will come back to you afterwards.
and I'm just gonna switch officers, because I think Mr O'Donnell is gonna, help add something auntie to your your questionnaire as well, just to very, very quickly mention see further to what's in the paper since the papers first drafted, we've also opened up the the trialled northbound.
segregated cycle on Wandsworth Bridge as well, and we have plans to proceed to to look at a more permanent and then revised layout to the bridge, the reasonable, given that straight away is the best you gotta change the kerb lines except to do that, so we put it in a kind of interim layout to facilitate that which has gone down well, obviously that wasn't just said that wasn't referenced in that sense, it's just an additional scheme, that's well worth mentioning and noting thank you
really quick, because someone sent me a photo of of a new road layout and a bridge today, and I couldn't help but notice we have two cycle lanes right now, next to each other, it is a plan to get rid of one of those and then extend the pavement.
yeah, so that's why it's an engine, because it's what's facilitated simply and quickly now the idea is where the kerb lines are, you want to break those out and actually almost like restart again with wherever he gets sliced down, but to do that is quite an extensive amount of civil engineering which will do as part of a revised whole corridor plan, since that will be kind of 18 years x 18 years 18 months has not been 18 is 18 months to two years.
but we wanted to bring in something in the interim to facilitate that safety element, obviously cyclists are taking well to that temporarily out.
thank you, I'm going to go to Councillor Belton next and then online, to Councillor Pritchard after that.
thank you, thank you to you.
welcome cycling and walking strategy, it's obviously aimed to to a considerable extent, as are improving active life for all of us, one group, I think it misses out rather, and that is.
the group that possibly needs help most, and that's the the most aged frankly, not just aged, it could be other factors as well, and I'd like to see a city strategy, there are all kinds of measurements for all kinds of things like everyone should live within the x metres of a bus stop or Y metres of a of this or that on a tablet.
I just think, if you look at the new parks, I mean the Springfield, one has got lots and lots of benches and in places to sit and very nice, it is too, but I think on some places that people are mature is and perhaps other people with various mobility problems could deal with.
could actually perhaps think about walking, but won't, because there was nowhere to sit on roads like Guilsfield and Maghull and I may be wrong, but I'm just thinking about them Northcote Road, which is a place people might want to sit because of the nature of it the riverside riverside walk in places means magnificent sitting places on the riverside walk in front of St Thomas's hospital, for instance,
in other places, I wonder whether we should now start thinking of the of frankly I completely myself now sitting place every 400 metres and we're on a on a walking, some, we perhaps think about that as well, to add into this kind of programme and I thank Councillor Tilley for bringing this to my attention to a considerable extent but I've felt it myself.
I'm sure we can do more in the area, Councillor Cook, as part of the walking and cycling strategy, and what's called the sort of healthy streets agenda West is important, you are places to rest places for shade shelter they are, they are very important in terms of Eton College in Wu walk in particularly and,
those are not forgotten about, even if they're not particularly spit dealt with in great detail in this paper, but if there are things which you want us to give more Mau Mau, sort of you know him more, more effort to, then they then we quite clearly could do that yes,
I think one thing strikes immediately, I mean I don't know, but a survey of how many rest places there are on the riverside walks I mean, I think I can think of fairly large chunks where there aren't any that I can immediately think of.
and if we take that, perhaps that's a good place to start, because it's such a clear cut, it would be nice to walk down there, it's a nice place to sit and look at the river, and so on and so forth could actually stop, I say yeah we ought to target having a sitting place every 400 yards, 200 yards or whatever what we feel is appropriate.
it seems perfectly reasonable and a proper thing that we can look at yet again.
thank you, and just before I go to Councillor Critchley, I think Councillor Mayorkas has a link point unless so bear with me, Councillor Groucho yeah, I think I was a great point by Councillor Bolton. I think there's three just quick things. One is in the cycling parking strategy. We identify opportunities for to explore parklets, which is also a great opportunity to provide those resting points. The second one is more, I guess, a wider question about school streets and future phases of that programme once more or in Mississippi, or it's all very well having a nice street that is empty of of cars, but if you have carers or parents who are slightly older and they want to come, pick up their child again, it would be nice for them to have somewhere where they can enjoy that that street scene, and I guess there's a, there's probably something to be looked at in the future there and then I guess, just coming back to the Mitcham Lane scheme, I mean that does include
New benches and improvements to the public realm, so I think it's definitely happening votes, it's important to highlight it as Councillor Bowsden has done.
thank you, Councillor Yorkist, getting into Councillor Pritchard now online.
thank you.
I was quite interested in the extra cycle parking at stations, particularly I just wanted, I know we've talked a bit about how that's getting on simply because I live very near Balham station and it is pretty difficult for people coming cycling to Balham to get parked up there.
so I'd appreciate some an update, please.
thank you, Councillor, we've been undertaking surveys around all the stations to try and identify additional space for the delivery of off of cycle parking, as you, as you as you, an employee, we we we do struggle to create, we can't create space out of nothing in some of those.
highways have made the stations have already quite heavily constrained, Balham is particularly, are particularly problematic in that sense, but nevertheless we know we did, we did, we do hope and intend to increase the supply of of parking at all our stations and the supply of parking more generally in the Bala.
thank you, thank you, Councillor Taylor.
I thank you Chair.
I was quite concerned to see the figures for the fatalities and injuries.
from what we got there, there seems to be a bit of an upward trend there.
is there in the long term, perhaps over a longer period, like 10 years, is there a adequate trend and what can be learned and done about these instance?
I might ask Mr. Mr Donald to help me out here on this, but one thing I can do Councillors perhaps provide you with a little bit more context of these of these numbers and how they are how they work in a London wide context, because I think you have to see what the trend has been over time, which is clearly downward and what the trend has been in London as a whole and in that neighbouring borrowers, and so there's nothing particularly unusual unique about these numbers that show once was to be any sort of outlier or are here here but quite clearly as the as that trend falls falls and at the same time as we encourage more walking and cycling which are the most vulnerable road users, it's clearly something that we we will clearly need to keep on could keep on top of
thank you, Councillor Belton.
again CA, thank you, Councillor until.
years and years ago I worked on a computer scheme which you possibly know about jealousy, produced a traffic accident statistics scheme computer scheme how does it help Well, actually it was helpful because it picked out black spots if you like.
of traffic roads, and there was an analysis then done on why it was suddenly accident, does that still exist after jealousy has been abolished, and so on, many years ago now, and it does something like that still exist yeah, yes is the short answer from that, yes,
Councillor Lakha, thank you Chair, and could I just ask, I think, on page 58?
for ask, I make a plea so that there's the point about pavement maintenance.
I have to say you know, I've offered the advice I think before, but just to reiterate improvements to pavements and walkways, etc is one of the simplest but most effective things that we can do to encourage walking and.
every penny invested in that honestly is worth it, and you will get lots of thanks for it, it mentions a capital bid has been submitted, I just wondered, how much is the bid for, and when do we find out is if it's successful,
OK, I can advise that we currently have 4.7 5 million pounds set aside in the budget for 24 25, of which 2.7 5 million pounds is for carriageways.
then we've got one, sorry, 1 million pounds for footways and then 1 million pounds so it could be spent on Eva depending on what the priorities would be, that excludes any other bids that we've made footfall for various projects, and additional asks that we might have made which will take some time to that's an internal process that will be reported clearly in advance of the financial year.
so I think I can cabinet members and then I'll come back to you, Councillor OK.
yeah, thank you, Councillor Lockyer, yes, I do, I agree, it's you know, it is really important to improve our footpath to mean residents raised this with me all the time, I'm sure they raised this with all ward councillors. It is something that I've been looking into and I I share your concern. Councillor Douglas is all about that section of Garrett Lane. I think that you know doing more to improve the condition of our roads, and our pavements is one of the most important things we can do on the transport agenda. So it's something that I'm actively looking into at the moment. Of course it does depend on the financial resource that we can make available
and you know, it's something that we'll be considering very carefully as part of reviewing the proposals to be made for the capital budget for the coming financial years.
thank you back to you, Councillor Looker, thank you, and if I could just follow up on a point that Councillor Dallas, as you all made earlier, so talking about when we're looking at Old York Road.
great to see improvements for pedestrians and cyclists slung there, but you were then at the end of Old York Road, your you reach the ones with one way system, and I appreciate that it's such a big project in itself it it wouldn't have fitted in this paper and all of that sort of stuff, but it is conspicuous by its absence. It is by far the biggest single, transformative thing we can do in our borough to improve walking and cycling across it.
is to get rid of this mass 3 4 lane huge roundabout in in the centre of it, so I do urge the administration to keep up the pressure and to report back regularly on what progress has been made to get rid of the one-way system, as we've said we're committed to doing for some years and I believe that the Council still has its share of the funding ready and available to use, thank you.
thank you.
yeah, Councillor Lockhart, yes, no, I I do.
he your concern, obviously you know we would love to move ahead with that scheme, we are doing everything we can you know it, it is.
I have to say that in looking back at the history of this scheme, I do think it is really sad and really unfortunate that it didn't go ahead under you know previous administrations because there were six years when you know the Conservatives around the Council, you had Boris Johnson as the Mayor and you were running the country and at that time the scheme was much much cheaper and the costs have absolutely skyrocketed. I mean we're now looking at around at least 100 million pounds for that scheme. You took that to public consultation. In 2016 the costs were far lower. You could have gone ahead and you didn't and privately a number of councillors on your side have said to me how sorry they are that you didn't actually go ahead with it, so we will do everything we can to move ahead with it, but you know we're in a bit of a bind because it's so expensive you know, obviously, one reason costs have gone up so much is because of good old Brexit, which has had such an impact on the availability of skilled workers in our economy and on costs across our economy. And that's not just a rhetorical point, it's a point of fact so we face a difficult situation, will do everything we can to move ahead with that scheme, but you know this situation is what it is and Transport for London is starved of funds. There are discussions going on now between Transport for London, and I would urge you to talk to the Treasury and the Department for Transport to make a capital settlement with Transport for London. They have no agreed capital programme. How can we run the major transportation system in our capital city on this basis with Transport for London? Please urge your government to put in place a proper long-term financial settlement with Transport for London that will help so many schemes in this borough of which the one-way system is only one because without funding from Transport for London,
or from the Department of Transport, we cannot go ahead with that scheme as it is planned, if we were to look at a different scheme, we will be facing more years of delay because those are Transport for London roads, and they involve a whole number of signalised junctions. Transport for London must do the design work on any changes to signalised junctions as I'm sure you know so that scheme took a very, very long time to reach the point it got to where it was consulted on and it was agreed, so now we're in a difficult situation and so anything you can do to support that scheme moving ahead, we will appreciate
thank you, I think I just I saw Councillor Belton first, and then I can come back to you, Councillor McKenna, I'm I'm interested to hear all to Councillor Lock is gonna say A and R I'm sure I'm sure too can be developed at J you are Councillor Yeates has been incredibly modest. One comment about six years, the first time I came across, this was chap called Councillor Malcolm, you'll see his name on the boards out there because he was leader of the opposition and the Leader of the Council for several years in the 19 70s and his ambition and he was Conservative leader. Actually his ambition was to get rid of the one-way system
Councillor Yeates told about six years you've actually been in control in Lewes Council for 44 years and to be fair to Councillor Mallon and Councillor Chope, and Councillor Beresford and Councillor Lister and Councillor Govindia, every single one of them, I am sure I can guarantee.
all but one, I'm not quite sure that I can recall Beresford actually saying anything, but every single one of them said, yes, we're gonna get rid of that.
and it's a difficult problem and I'm not a firehose Councillor Yeats, I wouldn't promise to do it herself because it might take him longer another two or three years, but don't pretend it's as a Labour issue that we're failing to achieve it's a collective problem and I'm sure you're going to help as far as possible as you creatively and positively said I'm nowt but you're going to help as far as possible and lobby the government to make sure we get the money.
I thank my colleagues for their party political pieces. I obviously hit a raw nerve. I don't think you would find any councillor more committed to getting rid of the one-way system than me, anyone who pushed harder and anyone who will continue to do so. I just make a few points. A lot has come out by asking that very simple question. It's clear the cabinet member knows more things than we have been told before in any of our papers or answers to questions, please will you commit to bringing a paper back to the next Committee updating us because, for instance, when I handed over, the cost of the scheme were less than 70 million and I've had 100 million quoted this evening, and also my understanding was on one of the signs of the commitment of the Conservative administration was that this Council agreed to fund half of the scheme, even though they are not council roads and we hypothecated that money in the budget. So it would be interesting to know if that money is still available if it's still ring fenced, and I think that's why we need a paper OK, but it'd be interested to know what the paper when you come back formally with it, to just tell us what's happened to that money, that's hypothecated to the scheme and also whether there are alternatives, for instance, could could could the Council fund the whole amount and how much would that be from the reserves and the capital receipts that we've had from CIL over the years because, as I say, I'm completely committed at trying to do what we can to remove that one way system, as has happened in other places where TSL have helped fund it, such as
I think there was the commitment to do it in Vauxhall, etc so please would you bring a paper to this committee on this very, very important topic.
and I've just been made aware that we've had our Finance Officer online with his hand up for for some time now, so I'm just gonna just gonna go go to him next, I'm not sure.
they can engage with him now and he might run to obscurity large on the screen there I can see behind me, God, you, yeah, just might I'm simpler, she's an financial controller in corporate finance and just come back to Councillor Cohen and to to Christmas is raised. One is is that the capital bids process will come back to the Finance Committee in January February for approval. So let's say you know where the capital bids will get approved and a questionnaire was about the ones with town centre w transformation scheme as it is now known. One way scheme is currently still 26 million in the Council's capital programme, which was
part of the 27 and a half million pounds that was originally agreed.
for the Council, contribute provision was removals or removal of the one-way system so as to compound those points.
let's come back with one other factual question is also when I know when I handed over the brief, my understanding was that TfN was making a bid to the government scheme for funding for the major road networks and that that was imminent, I think we were told in a previous committee that that was due to have happened this summer or even last autumn has that bit actually gone in for government funding.
I believe that was correct and I believe also that Mr Tilley knows more about that bit, I hope.
I'm happy, I'm happy to say those discussions are still ongoing between Transport for London and the government, so there's no significant that, so I can't report progress on on on that, but just to come back to the to the Sun which Mr Pullen mentioned, that's a capped figure so any increases in costs would actually need to be met through governmental Transport for London.
keep it if I could just point back on that offer, and I will do what I can for anyone who had ever listened to me at Treasury, Downing Street wherever, but if the bid hasn't been submitted yet to the government for the funding that's needed, it's very hard for me or anyone else to try and put pressure on the government to sign it off.
thank you, I move to Councillor Belton next Councillor Lucas.
putting up a good fight well done. He says, as he said, 27 billion when I also, as he said, 50%, when the customers 54 million. He admitted himself that when he left it was 70 and in fact, in fact one of the problems we had when we were opposing some of your attitudes two or three years ago is that you refused no, I'm not saying you, but your party here refused to up your 27 million to 50% of what the inflation figure then achieved, so we couldn't all in awe, I mean, let's blame counterclaim, we can all play this game. The fact of the matter is very difficult. We're all driving or achieve the same objective. Your support would be very welcome, but it's not going to happen tomorrow, is it we are trying really hard, and I am sure Councillor Yeates will try its hardest, even you did and see where we get to
thank you, Councillors for discussion on the one-way system, are there any other points questions anyone would like to raise on the walking and cycling strategy.
no OK, well, thank you for that that discussion, and it's always nice to get a bit of debate going.
had they had to happen, Smith yeah, thank you all, so the Committee are being asked whether they agree to support the recommendations in paragraph 2 of the report on this item, please can I ask all those in favour to please raise their hands.
and that vote is unanimous, so thank you all and thank you Mr tiddly for that item, we're now going to move to the

8 Wandsworth Corporate Plan Performance Report (Paper No. 23-352)

and just before I do actually we're gonna move to it before we move to the final item as this is this is kind of rounding off this area. I'm just gonna, take the opportunity to say thank you to Ms Jackson as well, because some may know it's her final committee meeting this evening so we're gonna move on to before we move on to the non-transport items as well as say, thank you Miss Jackson for all your hard work. Thank you.
and it's great, so I'm gonna move to Item 8, now the ones with Corporate Plan performance report, Ms O'Connor.
thank you. This is the routine report that the Committee receives, which gives a half year update against the actions in the council's Corporate Plan and also the Q2 performance against the key performance indicators apologies for the late circulation of the report, we were just finalising the Q2 figures, it's a very, very tight turnaround that we worked through in this Council to get Q2 to our Committees and I would highlight that I don't believe any other council in London turns around their performance as quickly as we do to get it to Scrutiny, but I would say that because that's my team working in other people's teams
so say yes, so the the key performance indicators are those that we report at Q2, so the set is slightly different from those that you agreed at the June Committee. That's because a number of them are reported annually and we've touched on those earlier in terms of the majority are those that are provided by Transport for London, so I'm happy to take any questions on the format of the the report and officers here to take any questions on the actions and the Q2 outturn as well.
lovely, thankfully, they're gonna.
Mr Councillor Bolton,
we go through patchwork roads will be fairly quick, yeah do deals as you wish, I'm sure people will want we've rounded on page 2, can I ask a simple prominence Jackson?
any update on when we expect the Local Plan to be.
processed through to its conclusion, and, secondly, any indication of any movement on the the second item on the 50% of hours in Whistler s, I wish are seeing any signs of any change in developer attitudes as yet.
through Utah, thank you, Councillor Bolton, so in terms of the timetable for the work on the partial review of the Local Plan, the Regulation 18 consultation, which is first stage consultation in most people's language for that partial review is is live now and ends on the 4th of December, so I would encourage people to look at the information that's available on the Council website on that consultation if they wish to take part.
the
there is approximately then a 12 month period, Councillor Belton for us to update our local housing needs assessment and carry out whole plan viability work, so the timetable as it stands would see a submission in 2025 or and an examination which, as you may recall from the currently adopted local plan you were there in the Council Chamber as I recall and took some time so adoption probably not until 2026.
and with a fair wind, as they say.
sorry, if I'm saying that we're not asking for reconsideration of everything, would it take just as long you think in at the public inquiry level, I mean, as you compared, it was last time when I was the burden this, et cetera, how much often I was there. It's a pretty lengthy process. Would it be just as long,
I am afraid, with somewhat in the hands of the Planning Inspectorate when it comes to the examination process, it's led by the Inspector, I wouldn't anticipate, it would take quite that long and because it's the single issue review, so it could be quicker than that in which case obviously potentially adoption would come more quickly.
it's just an interesting comment about that, if I may.
it's an interesting reflection on the planning system and I am not supporting all those people who kill, I blame the planning system for all sorts of things, but you have a change of administration and you have a change of perhaps policies, attitudes or whatever, and it's suggested that it's gonna take the virtual length of that Council before it achieves it by which time of course there could be another election and we go round in circles, it's a interesting problem, sorry,
I was just saying it's a possibility, yeah, it's not predicting defeat at all, it's an interesting reflection on the planning process which, as you know, is quite a long thing.
can I move on to the second point
thank you, I think I'd forgotten the second point in the discussion on the case for affordable housing if.
so yeah, I think that the explanation as to where we are on this particular target summarises very well the position with regard to the change in affordable housing policy from the previous local plan, where we had 15% in the Nine Elms.
area and 35% for the rest of the borough to a position in the adopted Local Plan where we have a target of 50%, but with the London Plan threshold approach, which allows schemes to go through fast-track where they achieve 35% affordable housing.
so they're quite clearly has been an increase in the number of affordable homes secured. I think, as the commentary sets out in part, that's because of the Council's ambition to deliver particularly social rent but 100% affordable homes on its own sites, and we've seen some of those coming forward in recent months so they are all contributing towards us, improving our performance in delivery of affordable housing and but on your particular point about, have we seen any further movement from developers? I think yes, we have
that is the case they are 0, I suppose, have heard quite clearly that message that the priority is for socially rented affordable homes and we are seeing those coming forward through applications that are currently in the system or have recently, in fact been to planning applications committee
thank you very much, I've got Councillor Hamilton, next, a restriction answering my questions in the comments.
we love that OK, any misstep it Do you mind if I just start to what's just been said by Ms Jackson, which is that.
today, actually today we had the second of developers forum with under the new administration and that that kind of point about developers now looking towards that 70 30 split or certainly more social rented housing.
came through loud and proud from the administration and actually, certainly in the side, conversations you tend to have at those events of about 7 right, I had with developers, at least half of those developers were, but we are in effect saying we've got it loud and clear we're starting to shift our approach, we will start to come forward with with more.
a social rent in in line, not necessarily precisely in line this forward in advance of the formal changes, but certainly heading towards more and more social rent.
in their application, so since some real evidence, I think, not just in terms of apps, but in terms of conversations with those key developers in the Borough that the they're listening and reacting.
thank you very much, Mr. Chadwick, Councillor Lakha, thank you, and thank you for those answers, I just wonder, so I'm just on that measure, I think that we were mainly focused on, which is on page 11, it says at the top of mine,
I think it's wax p dash serious 0 4, where it's actually talking about the percentages achieved, is it possible that we just amend, perhaps by e-mail, a table sent round of what unions equate to in actual numbers of affordable houses that have been delivered over these periods?
it's all very well saying x percent of a number, but if you don't have the absolute.
it's pretty meaningless.
so I am just watching the deliberation I know someone is going to come back to you and I think they would just fight at fighting to get back to Councillor Loughman.
yes, I mean, obviously, that information sits behind that figure.
I think you would find it certainly are published each year in the
authority monitoring report, but we can provide the tally, if you like, rather than the percentage for Councillor Locker, yes.
thank you, I'm just looking round and we've got anything on, I know nothing online, no other points they want, no OK, well thank you Councillors, so this report is for information only so we agree that as the last item of business for this evening, thank you Ms O'Connor for because I know you rushed here this evening for another engagement, so thank you very much for that that now concludes the business of the Committee this evening, so thank you all for your attendance.