Licensing Sub-Committee - Tuesday 24 March 2026, 7:00pm - Wandsworth Council Webcasting

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The meeting is now live and will therefore begin the Licencing Subcommittee.
The first item of the agenda will be to appoint a Chair for the meeting and I'd just like
to invite Councillors Marshall and Pridham if they could confirm if there's an agreed
person to do that role.
Thank you.
I'd like to nominate Councillor Marshall.
Thank you, I accept.
Thank you, that's unanimous.
So I'll pass to Councillor Marshall to chair the meeting.
Thank you.
Welcome to this meeting of the Licencing Subcommittee which is being held as a remote meeting.
The meeting is being webcast. My name is Councillor Norman Marshall, I'm chairing this meeting.
I will now invite the other attendees to introduce themselves. First of all, Councillors.
Councillor Tom Pridham representing Lavender Ward in Battersea.
Thank you. And Officers.
Guy Bishop, Legal Advisor to the Subcommittee.
Julie Hopkins, Licencing Officer.
And Michael Flowers, Democratic Services Officer.
Thank you very much. Applicants.
Yes, thank you very much, Chair. My name is Constanza Bell. I'm a barrister at King's
Chambers. I'm instructed to represent Inspire Restaurants Limited, who are the premises
licence holder of McDonald's on Ballum High Street. And also attending, you'll see on
screens is Mr Mo Nakmouch. He's the representative of Inspire Restaurants Limited. He is here largely
to observe but may assist me if required. Thank you very much. Thank you. Are there any other
applicants? Hi, my name is Inessa. I am the applicant for Oha Park Cafe. Fine, thank you.
Mr. Farrow, which category do you fall under, sir?
Good evening, I'm sorry I'm late, I had trouble logging in.
I was hoping to listen to the Roja Park Cafe item.
Thank you. The final category of people here should be representations.
questions. Ms Meredith, can I just confirm what your capacity is?
Yes, I'm here to listen to the Roja Park and yes, so the second item.
Thank you very much. Is there anybody else logged in or listening that we need to be
aware of? We have Amelia Hughes here tonight. I can
hand is up. Yeah, Millie Hughes also listened to and comment upon the Rohar Park cafe application.
Okay, for some reason, right gotcha, okay thank you so much. Excellent. Are there any
apologies for absence or declarations of interest for items on the agenda?
So moving on then, we've got two items on the agenda and we'll now consider the first
application for a variation of our premise licences in respect to the
premise known as McDonald's, 159 Balham High Street, Balham High Road and I now
invite the licencing officer to introduce the application. Thank you
Councillor. First of all I must apologise I'm getting over a chest infection so if I
collapse into coughs I do apologise. I'll do my best.
Inspire Restaurants Ltd have applied for a variation to the premises licence for McDonald's
at 159 Ballam High Road.
The licence holder has applied to vary the licence to extend the hours for the provision
of late night refreshment by three hours on the morning following Sunday to Thursdays
and by two hours on the morning following Fridays and Saturdays, allowing the operator
to trade for 24 hours a day.
The application was advertised as required under the legislation and this
has resulted in the receipt of one representation from another person
opposing the application. They are concerned about the impact on them from
the proposed later hours and in particular from noise from patrons,
litter and antisocial behaviour. Please note that there is a correction regarding
the proposed condition with regards to door supervisors which was incorrectly
stated on the report that there was an increase to four SIA as opposed to the
original two on the current licence. Councillors would have received an email
confirming their error with the correct wording yesterday on the 23rd of March.
The existing and proposed licenseable hours are laid out in Appendix C to the
report. Copies of the representations have been provided to the applicant and
to members of the licencing subcommittee. If granted all the existing conditions
attached to the licence will still apply. A copy of the existing licence is
included in the bundle provided. The applicant has described additional steps
that they intend to take arising from the variation application and these
are laid out in the Appendix A of the report. The subcommittee may modify or
add to these conditions if it considers such steps to be appropriate.
Councillors, I have no other matters to raise but would be happy to answer any
questions you may have. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Pridham, do you have any
questions at this stage? Just one brief one if I may, Councillor Marshall, thank you.
Just to clarify how the provision pressure 24 hours compares to the sort
of standard policy across Wandsworth, would you be able to provide a bit of
background on that? Well, late night refreshment is only required between 11
and five. So yes in terms of providing it 24 hours and how that relates to the
sort of practise across the borough. We have got some 24 -hour premises in the
borough so it's not an unusual request. One that springs to mind is on the
roundabout. I know that's definitely 24 hours. We've got a
others but without looking it up I'd have to... Can I ask about the provision for security?
I noticed that there was changes in number of staff present to basically, I guess they're
there to sort of maintain orderly conduct, would that be correct? Yes, that would be. I think the
applicants council would probably be the best place to answer that.
All right, okay shall I wait until we move to the applicants? Okay, thank you very
much. So if I then move on to the applicants and invite the applicant
Inspire Restaurants to address the subcommittee. Thank you very much
councillors for the opportunity to address you. I'm happy to advise that this
really a very straightforward application. There's only one objection which appears to be from a
member of the public and it's in, I think it's fair to say, quite generic terms. Just to deal
with the points that you've raised first of all, the question about security numbers, there's no
change to security arrangements. There's already two security personnel, two SIA people on the
door and that is proposed to continue. So those individuals will be able to assist in the event
there's any disorderly conduct or anything of that nature. I'm happy to advise though that this
is not a problematic establishment and that's why there are really no objections here. In fact,
I'm advised by Mr Nakmouj that the most disorderly conduct probably comes from school children at
about three o 'clock and that's really when staff members have to quiet things down.
In fact, because of its location, there's a pretty diverse clientele that go to this McDonald's but
in the early hours. Yes, you get the occasional person who's been enjoying a drink and wants
something to eat, but you also get shift workers. There's Sainsbury's, there's an Aldi in the area,
there's also a gym. You get people who are shift workers stopping off for their morning coffee and
sandwich or changing of shift wanting to grab some food before they go home. So you get all sorts of
folks and it's a community establishment that serves all number of people in the community.
It does not have any existing antisocial issues, there's no objection from the police here.
It's a well -run and orderly establishment. In fact, the change that's proposed is very limited.
I think one of your questions related to other 24 hours establishments in the area and your
officer assisted in that respect. But just to be clear, for the purposes of licencing law,
licencing was only concerned with licence activity and so that's the provision of late
the daytime operation of the premises would fall out with that particular concern. In terms of the
night the nighttime operations, the position is really not that big of a change. So at the moment,
the premises are licenced to 2am Sunday to Thursday, that will change till 5am and they're
licenced 11 to 3am Friday to Saturday and that will also change to 5am in effect, meaning that
that there's a 24 hour operation.
In real terms, that means very little change
because actually what happens is restaurant,
the serving of customers stops,
cleaning activities and tidying of the restaurant,
et cetera, undertaken.
And so before you know it,
it's time for the next shift to begin anyway.
So I'm advised that the actual kitchen
really only shuts for sort of half an hour.
And so with that in mind,
this is just a sensible business approach.
clarifying, changing a situation really in a very minor respect.
The one change that actually is important is for the people who work at the
McDonald's because it's actually very inconvenient at the moment for staff to
have that awkward pause between the end of the morning shift and the beginning
of the day shift because of that break in the time where they can serve
customers.
So this change in hours would actually be welcomed by staff who work at the
restaurant, because it would mean that there's a more logical evening shift for those who
want to work a night shift, a more logical day shift for those who want to work the day
shift. And there's no awkward in -between period, and there's no having to get night
busses or make arrangements to get home at antisocial hours. It's a much easier shift
pattern and so it'll be more attractive to people who work there. And it will also
facilitate creation of jobs. So I'm happy to report that it will improve the position
of people who work there. It will allow for the creation of more jobs. It will in no way
create any sort of antisocial disturbance. In fact, I imagine for most people, they won't
really notice much change at all. But for the staff, it'll be in a better position.
And an existing well -run establishment will be able to make the most of sensible trading
conditions and continue to contribute to the community. You may have some experience of
McDonald's restaurants already, you'll know that they are very active in community matters.
For example, this restaurant does a regular litter pick. It also acts as a calm, quiet
space for members of the community to go to enjoy well, competitively priced food and
drink. And I think it's appreciated by those who use it. So I really do say this is a very
straightforward application. There's one final point, I think, which is appropriate to draw
your attention, which is this. There has been a grant of planning permission for 24 hours.
So the planning permission aspects of this issue have already been tested by your brother
councillors on the planning committee, and they have granted a temporary planning permission
for 24 hours for a year. And so they're satisfied that the planning ramifications of this are
acceptable, and they've already green -lighted it in that respect. So that's just to give you
full contextual picture. So this is what we say is really just a marrying up of the situation,
the licencing situation and the planning situation. I'd be very happy to answer any
questions you might have and as I noted earlier Mr Nakmouch is also on the call and I'm sure
he'll be very happy to assist if you have any questions that he can assist with.
Thank you very much, Phil. Councillor Pridham?
Nothing from me, that was all very clear.
Yeah, it does seem extremely clear and I take the thrust of your argument that
McDonald's provides a service and will be serving a particular segment of the
nighttime economy, the shift workers, if you like, which, and also the arrangements are in place to
ensure that this all runs in a peaceful way.
Just looking at the papers I've got, I assume that this, the papers I've got that talk about
an increase of security officers to four was what was covered by that revision that was sent out.
Is that correct, Ms Hopkins? I think that was just a mistake, a type of...
That was just...
That was just...
I mean, it would be quite...
Yeah, quite extraordinary to have four security people on the door.
Yes. I agree.
It does surprise me. I'm sure two is correct. But if you'll just pardon me, out of curiosity
being a big fan of Eddie Izzard, what is the problem with trays after 2300 hours?
Well we probably agree with you, Councillor. I mean that was a condition
that was imposed by the council on an earlier iteration for permission. We'd be
very happy to not have trays and to have people inside our premises but at the time...
So the way it would currently work is that people would receive their McDonald's order in a paper bag
and they'd be then encouraged to leave the
premises directly with their paper bag and go and consume it at home or you know, wherever their final destination might be.
And that was felt to be an appropriate condition when it was imposed.
We'd be happy if you wanted to remove it because
we'd be happy to have people sit in the premises and eat their McDonald's in the premises.
So I don't seek to defend that condition. If you thought it was appropriate to remove it, we'd be happy with that.
Ms Hopkins, do you have a comment on this?
Yes, I think that was probably a few years ago where a trace was used as a weapon and hit people around the head with, so that was probably why that condition was imposed.
Would there be any objection to amending that?
Does that create unnecessary implication at this stage?
Well, I mean, I imagine it would have come from the police.
So, if it was removed, they may have an issue with that.
If the food is sent in a paper bag, they can still eat it on the premises without a tray, presumably.
be. Yeah. Yeah. They can. Yes, that's right. We they can. Yes. I think I don't know the full history of that condition. I'm certainly have no instructions to the fact that it originally came from police or that there are any anti social issues or tray based interactions. I don't have any instructions on that. I'm not sure the full history of how that came to be there. But I'm, I'm happy to advise
can confidently advise that there are no existing anti -social issues. It's a well -managed premises.
The door staff are known in the community and keep things orderly. As I said, the main issue
is school kids at three, not people at night. As a former school teacher myself, I can well
understand that. Fine. Well, I think we won't pursue the question of the trays any further.
Mr Bishop. It was just in passing I suppose I ought to mention it obviously
that whilst I'm sure that it's relevant to the applicant you as a committee
aren't considering planning what planning might have done case law
dictates. Other than that I have nothing else to advise you at this stage. Thank you.
Um, any officers need to advise me on anything we might've missed in considering
this does seem very straightforward.
Very good. Well, in that case, uh, we will, um,
adjourn this and we'll consider this at the decision meeting later this evening
and to forward our decision after we've duly considered it.
If there are no more representations from anybody speak now, please,
if there are well, thank you very much for attending this evening.
Sorry, Mr Flowers. Sorry, from a very minor procedural point,
I just need to ask the applicant if they had any closing remarks noting there were no objectors,
but I don't think there was, but I just wanted to give them the opportunity.
I'm very grateful, Mr Flowers, thank you. I'm happy to rest on what I previously said.
We think this is a straightforward application. I commend it to you exactly as made.
Thank you very much. Good, thank you very much indeed.
Thank you. I trust it won't offend if we remove ourselves from the meeting for the next section
that doesn't concern us. Of course not, thank you very much indeed. Thank you. Have a good evening.
Good evening, thank you. So yes, so to read out the full script then, that includes the first
applicant's consideration, the decision reasons and any legal guidance given during the subcommittee's
discussion that has informed the decision will be confirmed in writing together with information
about any rights of appeal within five working days. Thank you very much everybody. We'll now
consider the second application that is for a new premises licence in respect to the premises known
as Roha Park Cafe Windmill Gardens one o 'clock building Heathfield Road and I now invite the
licencing officer to introduce this. Thank you, Councillor. Roha Park Cafe Restaurant Limited have
applied for a new premises licence for Roja Park Cafe at Windmill Gardens, one
o 'clock building, Heathfield Road, SW 18 2PH. For the sale of alcohol for
consumption on the premises and the provision of regulated entertainment
for recorded music, Appendix B of the report provides full timings for the
activities being applied for. The application was advertised as required
under the legislation with a site notice at the premises and newspaper advert.
This resulted in the receipt of six representations from other persons.
These representations are the only matters for consideration tonight.
Appendix A to the report lays out the conditions arising from the applicant's
operating schedule,
including those agreed with the Metropolitan Police and with the Council's
trading standards officer,
which will become conditions of the licence if it is granted.
Appendix B to the report lays out the proposed hours for this licence.
Councillors, the options that are open to you tonight when deciding this
application include granting the application as requested or modifying
the conditions of the licence, alter or omit conditions or add new or reject the
whole or part of the applications. Councillors, I've laid out the brief facts
of the application but I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. Thank you.
Thank you. So our main business then is to hear the considerations, if I've understood that correctly.
Yes, that's right. Councillor Pridham.
Nothing from me, as you state, key to hear the representations tonight.
Yeah, absolutely. Well, nothing from me either. So let us, however, I think in order here.
Mr. Flowers.
Is there any – well, can I just – I think we've heard from the officers, we've heard
from the councillors. Yes, so I think representations comes next. So I think yes, that's the name
business, isn't it? So can I just understand who we got here from making representations?
Mr. Farrow?
Sorry, Chair, can I just interject just a moment, please?
Of course, please do.
Just a query. I can see Mr. Farrow may have accidentally left, so it might be best just
a wait. Can I just cheque with Francis Meredith because I couldn't see your name in the agenda
for a representation. Can I just cheque if you're here as an observer for the meeting?
Yes, I didn't make any submissions but I am concerned about it. I did it at number two.
No, thank you. If you haven't submitted a representation, I will just need to ask if
you can mute your device and keep your camera off at the meeting just because only those
who submitted a representation will be able to speak as part of that category.
Thank you very much.
So, can I just cheque then the representations, is that Inessa?
Yes it's me.
And Emilia?
Emilia, are you making a representation?
I'm objecting from number one.
The applicant is Inessa.
Okay.
Sorry.
The applicant is Inessa.
Please pardon.
Um, um, fine.
Uh, so we just, um, have you, can I invite you to say, say anything Inessa
that you need to say at this point?
Um, yes, I would like to say something.
Good evening to everyone first.
My name is Inessa and I'm the applicant for Roja Park Cafe.
Thank you for this opportunity to speak today in support of my application.
Roja Park Cafe is intended to be a small family business, community -focused coffee, serving coffee, food and light refreshments.
Roja Park Cafe will never be a drinking venue. Alcohol is served, will be supplement to the food and always light alcohol.
The permits will always be supervised by staff and cameras.
All the staff will receive mandatory training to serve customers responsible and to refuse service where is appropriate.
CCTV cameras will be installed and maintained to the premises.
If anyone has any questions, I'm happy to answer.
Thank you, Ms. Kaira.
Is that pronunciation correct?
How do you pronounce your surname?
Khaleda.
Khaleda.
Thank you, Ms. Khaleda.
So, Councillor Pridham, do you have any questions for Ms. Khaleda?
I was just going to be quiet about outside seating.
is that are there seats tables and chairs outside the premises? It will be some seating outside
but we didn't apply yet for that. Okay roughly how many tables are you aiming for? Three four outside.
Okay right as you confirmed that you're serving coffee and light meals and snacks
So that's the main business.
Fine.
And then also one further question, if I may,
Councillor Marshall.
And then also I assume, so light alcohol,
by that you mean wine and beer, essentially?
Yeah, wine and beer essentially.
Will not be like a cocktail bar or anything like heavy.
No, no, no, no.
Nothing like this.
And so, as it would be perfectly conceivable
for someone to sit outside, have a meal,
and a couple of glasses of wine in the summer,
that's what you're waiting for?
Yeah, that's.
Okay.
Light alcohol.
So I think at that point we're now going to ask for people with representations to address
the committee.
Ms Hughes and Mr Farrow, is there anybody else here making any representations?
That's it.
Good.
Okay, well, shall I ask Ms Hughes to start then?
Okay, I'm Dr Hughes.
I work for NHS England.
I'm from One Whiml Road.
Thank you for inviting us to speak here.
I've got some questions to clarify with Inessa
because she's not, they've not made any approach
to any of their neighbours discussing their plans.
This came through as a cafe, which they had initially
put in some planning for an inclusive flu
because of fried food.
But in general, it was going to be cold cafe food
alongside the play park. The planning permission has gone through and within
that planning it talks about a noise, I can find it if it's helpful for me but
maybe you guys know this already from the planning committee, around minimal
noise and disruption regarding the cafe that they were putting in and this fried
food. Now suddenly we've changed into a restaurant with hours up till, sorry can
just cheque with you, Miss Inesta, what timing are you hoping to get your
licence for for alcohol? Until 10 o 'clock. Until 10 o 'clock at night for a cafe next
to a children's play park in a residential area right opposite houses
which are full of family homes. This is something that has not been put through
by planning. It is planning by stealth. Why even go for like alcohol if you're
planning to have spirits or drinks. It's a cafe restaurant. You're saying that
this is going to be to support, or that's what it looks like, to support the park
area for local families with young children, not to end up having a late
night venue with anyone with any open windows in London. It gets up to 40
degrees in the summer here. We will have to sleep with our windows open because
our houses and property do not have air conditioning and you're planning to have
people drinking outside on a patio opposite my home with my children in it.
No, absolutely. The cafe will not be with doors.
Apologies. I just need to clarify, this isn't a cross -examination opportunity, Dr Hughes.
So obviously you need to…
I'm just putting my statement out here for all to understand quite how strongly I feel
about the appropriateness of an alcohol licence going into a cafe which got planning permission
by cafe in a play children's play park. I do not believe this is a fair process to do via
its planning application by stealth. Thank you. I think the correct process here, Mr.
Flowers is absolutely correct, this is not supposed to be a cross -examination to invert,
but this Collegio will have an opportunity to respond to the points that you've made very
clearly. Is there anything else you'd like to say Dr Hughes? There may be something further
I want to say, depending on what else comes out next.
Can I just cheque with Mr Flowers? Is Dr Hughes going to have an opportunity to come back
on anything that's said by the applicant?
Through you, Chair, it might be worth me just clarifying the process. So at this point,
obviously, it's the opportunity for the representations to make their case. Each of them in turn will
have it that, followed by Councillors Pridham and Marshall. So you all have the opportunity
to ask questions to them and Inessa will have the opportunity to ask a question of clarification as
well. After that's taken place we go into the summing up stage. Before that it might be Councillors
Pridham and Marshall you want to just ask the applicant a further question but it wouldn't be
a case where you'd go back and forth between applicants and representations. So after that
opportunity of questions the representations at first will have the first opportunity to provide
summary remarks, which is a short period just to give you closing thoughts, followed by
the applicant who has the last right to. But at that point, once we're in closing stage,
it's not an opportunity for anyone to add further comments that's outside of the category
they're in.
Okay. Well, thank you. I mean, I think I intend to interpret that reasonably fluidly so that
people do have a chance to make points that they need to make. If they've forgotten something
they'd like to add, then I will allow, for example, Dr Hughes to come back if there are
further points to make, although obviously we can't go on indefinitely. So thank you
for making your points so far very cogently.
You asked if there's anything else I wanted to say. So while I have the opportunity, yes,
it is a Navy application, conversations that have happened already. There is the issue
about the planning, as I've mentioned, the issue now about the music being played, an
open area, sitting area, which is not on the plans already for the cafe. And therefore
I will then go back to the funding by stealth. I may come back to you later at the opportunity
if it's available. Thanks very much for listening. Thank you. Mr Barrow. Oh good evening, thank you.
When we became aware of the application for a licence, we were concerned about the sale of
alcohol in a building which is immediately adjacent, in fact contiguous to a children's
playground and also about the length of the hours of opening.
We put in a request that if an application were to be granted, that the hours at which
alcohol could be sold could be limited to the early evening.
We suggested five o 'clock.
There is, the building is sighted right on the corner of Wandsworth Common.
There is a café on Wandsworth Common, the Skylark Café, and their opening hours are
to the early evening, five and six o 'clock, through the seven days a week.
There's another nearby café, Farina, and they also limit their opening hours.
I did meet Inessa, and thank you very much for seeing me a week or so ago.
She very kindly said that they were intending to limit their hours.
I'm sure that is her intention.
If there was an opportunity for alcohol to be sold late into the evening, and were it
available, then we would have concerns that it might be taken up, if not by her, by somebody
else at a future date who might acquire the licence. I'm not sure, I'm afraid, whether
licences are transferable or whether they run with the building. So as I say, our principal
concerns are twofold. One is the extent of the hours, and secondly concerns about the sale of
in the building, which is immediately adjacent, continuous to a children's playground.
The plans, as was said previously, do not show any outside seating area. If there were
to be any, it would be immediately in front of the building. Our houses, I think there
were four or five of us who made a comment or faced the building, so we would be concerned
about noise and nuisance, particularly from the outside space. And also, if the windows
and doors leading onto the outside space were open in the summer, and that the music for
which the licence also is for was to sort of bleed out, as it were, and become a nuisance,
that's all I wish to say at the moment. Thank you.
Thank you. I think then, if I can just summarise what we're hearing is that the concerns and having
read also the emails that have been sent in by other residents, it's essentially around
alcohol being served at a time when young children may be using the playground.
But then if there were a condition to limit that, that would still leave a concern that you're converting essentially premises into a place where late night drinking or late -ish night drinking may take place.
There may be music in an area which is close to residential dwellings where this hasn't previously happened.
Um, so there's a sort of twin pronged set of objections.
Um, have I correctly summarise that as far as, um, perhaps I could just ask the
people who are here representing for their, their views on that summary.
So I can sort of understand the feeling from local people.
Can I just ask Dr Hughes first, is that, is that the thrust of it?
Yes, that's exactly the thrust of it, because if that wasn't the intention,
the application wouldn't have been put in either with alcohol or up to that
late and the correct planning with outdoor seating would be put in first place. Therefore,
I go back to my original statement. It's not a clear and transparent process here.
It's planning by stealth and we are concerned.
Mr Farah, any comments on the way that I've summed that up?
No, I think thank you. It was an excellent summary. I would ask, I'm not familiar with
process of the committee. If I understood from something I heard earlier, you will listen to us
and then at a later date or this evening when we're not present, come to your decision.
That's correct.
Yeah. Then all I would ask if councils are not familiar with the area, if you'd be kind enough
to visit either, as it were, on the ground or by street view, just to become aware of the proximity
of the building to the cafe and the common. Thank you. Well, I live very nearby. I live on
in college gardens and I go past there on my bicycle very often indeed, so I'm familiar with
playground with that little patch of green. And I've got the photographs in front of me
that have been provided in the application, but thank you.
I would say, sorry, that obviously, you know, we're all slightly apprehensive about change.
And I'm sure that's some of the motivation. But as you said, it's principally the hours of opening
and the possibility of alcohol sold proximate to a children's playground. Thank you.
Right. Councillor Pridham, do you want to come in here at all? I think, yes, you've
got your hand up. Yes, thank you.
Thank you, Chair. I just wanted to take clarification. Mr Bishop might be the best person to advise
on this, but obviously the Planning Committee considers matters that relate to planning
regulations and we obviously, the Licencing Committee should only contain our decision -making
to licensable activities?
Exactly. So, planning issues are not something this committee considers. This committee has
to make decisions based on the licencing objectives and the licencing objectives are looking at
whether there's going to be crime and disorder or public nuisance or safety issues or whether
there's risk in terms of children. So, those are the four things that the committee is
interested in in terms of making decisions. The planning position is obviously a matter
for planning, it's not a matter for this committee. The other thing that has been raised in discussions
so far is that there are other premises that are available instead. This committee is not
considering and will not be able to consider need or whether there's other premises nearby,
that sort of thing. I think that's enough for the time being just to explain the process of
what we're doing today, but obviously I'll advise you more fully in detail in the deliberation
later on tonight. Thank you very much. So I think I'm personally feeling that I think we've heard
four comments, but we now have opportunities for people to make closing comments, which I should
make sure that I hear. So is that, Councillor Pridhan, do you want to come in again?
Yes, I just wanted to get a bit more of a sense of the business itself. This is actually more for
the applicant, if I may. I'm just wondering how many covers does the cafe have in total?
In total, we'll have 20 to 30 inside.
Okay, and then, fine. And then on the tables you're planning to put outside,
that would be I guess another 12 to 15 or 6 something like that. 15 marks 10 to 15.
Okay thank you. Actually on the I suppose slightly related point, what are your plans for music
exactly? Sorry Councillor, sorry Councillor I was just going to say in relation to the plans I can
only see around 20 covers. Okay, just thought I'd mention it. Thank you.
Yes, if I could ask a question about music, I'm not sure whether this falls more under
planning or more under the... No, that's for you. That's very much for us. Good, excellent.
Need to keep inside our tram lines here. Miss Kalidja, could you just talk about your plans
music? It will not be music outside anywhere even inside will be very light music just on the
background nothing like nothing party or anything like this it will only be
music on the background that's it. It would have to be because you have made an application for music
whether recorded or live, so you would be doing background music.
Yeah, I mean there is deregulation for a licenced premises, but I'm not going to
get into that. That's for low -level, sort of, you know, a couple of guys doing a
guitar or something.
And just music just on the background, nothing, no live music or anything.
You've said you're all going to stick to background music.
Yeah, fine.
One quick question on the hours, if I may say, I think in the application here, it
says till 11 PM.
Is that correct?
But then the applicant, uh, a moment ago, a while ago, you mentioned 10 PM.
Sorry.
I have open an hour still 10 PM.
Oh fine okay. My agent who done the application. I see okay so the opening hours of the premises
will be taken. It's 8 to 10 in the opening hours. Fine okay so it's 10 on the application sorry it's 11 on the
application but you've decided to go for just 10. Because it's 10 in the opening hours. Fine okay
And when are last orders for food?
It will be an hour before. I'm not intending to keep it till ten closed.
I applied for it because this is a family business,
which I will run it myself and help by my two teenager kids,
which it will not be till ten for sure.
But that's the opening hours I have.
And that's how I made the application for alcohol as well.
Okay so I mean if you're pretty confident you won't be serving alcohol that late roughly when
are you going to be serving it until, what's your board plan? Summertime nine max. Okay.
Okay I mean it's very helpful to hear that's the general intention but obviously once
permission is given then that's it's hard to come back retrospectively and say but you intended to
stop at nine so we'll need to sort of think think about that. I think I might
we may have reached the point where it's appropriate just to ask for people to
make you know summary final remarks. I will just invite any officers, I mean Miss
Hopkins do you need to come in at this point with anything further? No, no
Thank you, Mr Bishop. No, nothing further at this stage. Thank you, we'll obviously be talking about this later.
Mr Flowers. Nothing from me, Chair, thank you. Okay, thank you. So that's the officers.
Ms Khaledja, would you like to say in summary? Sorry, she goes last. I beg your pardon, thank you very much.
Let's start with them, reverse the order then of the representations. Mr. Farrow, have you got any closing remarks you'd like to make?
I don't think of the opportunity, but nothing further to add.
Okay. And Dr. Hughes?
Thanks for the opportunity. Can I just cheque with what Guy Bishop said was really helpful? Could you just run through the areas that you assess this for again, please?
can you just, sorry, thank you. Certainly, I understand. So what the councillors have to do
when they're making the decision is to make a decision that is appropriate and proportionate,
that follows and promotes the licencing objectives. The licencing objectives are
the prevention of crime and disorder, the prevention of public nuisance,
public safety and prevention of harm to children.
So then my final comments around this, again public nuisance of noise in the local area
to residents and also for the safety around alcohol premises right next to a children's
paid park throughout the day as well as in the evening and the implications of doing
that.
Thank you.
Thank you. So finally, Ms. Khaledja.
Yes. I want to,
like I tried to make contact with the neighbours.
Like I already met Mr. Peter Faro.
I have my phone number.
I put my phone number on the door of the premises,
like for anyone to contact me.
I wanted to ensure everyone, like for anything they have, they can contact me anytime.
My phone number is still in both sides, on the side of the playground and on the other side as well.
If anything has, like if you have any other question, I'm happy to, but I don't have nothing to say anymore.
Fine, I think that's actually, I've just got a supplementary question.
Were a child or their parents who are using the playground,
what is to prevent a child moving from the playground to your premises?
The playground is surrounded, it's nothing to do with the entrance of my coffee,
the entrance is in the other side, alcohol will not be visible and I will not have a proper bar
on the like like restaurants have it will not be take a take away alcohol or
anything no alcohol will be consumed in the playground because it's no access
from the main entrance will be completely on the side of the road will
not be anything on the playground area basically and the tables outside are
You can't see the tables outside from the playground because they are totally on the other side of the...
They're on the other side.
Other side, yeah.
Okay, I think that's helpful. Good. So I think at this point we've heard everybody and thank you very much.
Just a quick question, Chair, if I may. Probably to Mr Bishop, and just to sort of clarify, you know, what conditions might be appropriate or permissible in this kind of application, but would having a, is it possible to have a condition whereby a contact number is available publicly in the event that there is noise and nuisance, and that can be a stipulated condition in a decision?
But it's a very common condition.
The other thing that obviously the applicant has mentioned
is that any sale of alcohol would be ancillary
to any food being provided.
And that can also be it.
That's already what she's offered.
Yeah, that's already in there.
Okay.
Well, in that case, thank you very much indeed
for people who've attended and spoken
and for people who've just attended and watched
and for anybody who may be watching online.
but we'll now close this part of the proceedings and we'll now proceed to discuss this in private
and as previously mentioned we'll be issuing a decision notice shortly. Thank you very much indeed
Mr Flowers can you now close the meeting. Thank you