Environment Overview and Scrutiny Committee - Tuesday 23 September 2025, 7:30pm - Wandsworth Council Webcasting

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Good evening, everyone.
Welcome to the 25th of September, 2025 edition of the Environment Overview and Screentech
Committee.
I'm Councillor Coakley, the Chair of the committee.
Here with me this evening is Councillor Wyatt, the cabinet member for environment,
and Paul Chadwick, the Executive Director for Environment and Community Services.
I'll ask that members of the committee introduce themselves when they first participate in discussions, and
officers and invited guest speakers introduce themselves when you're called to present your reports.
Starting off, I've had apologies from Councillors Boswell, French, and Caddy.
So are there any others?
No, that's everyone.

1 Minutes - 24th June 2025

Okay, so starting with the minutes, are there any objections to confirm in
the previous minutes on the 24th of June as a correct record?
No, that's agreed.
And are there any declarations of either

2 Declarations of Interest

pecuniary, other registrable or non -registrable interests?
None there as well.
So we go straight away to our first substantive paper
of the meeting, so that is paper number 25 -319,
which is the air quality action plan update.

3 Air Quality Action Plan Update (Paper No. 25-319)

I believe Mr. Andrews, you're leading on the presentation.
Take it away.
Thank you, Chair.
Just by way of introductions, my name is Jason Andrews.
I manage air quality and contaminated land.
I'm joined today by my colleague, Maria Vans,
who's the principal air quality officer
and one of our ambassadors has come to join us
to talk about the work they've been doing around schools.
I think it's really important to say right up front
that although this paper is,
it looks like it's focused on our area of work.
There are a number of areas in the council
that actually contribute things like greening,
EV charging, school streets, active travel, public health,
all contribute to air quality,
and they are all captured in our annual status report.
So we have a published annual status report
that covers fully the action plan
and all the monitoring in the borough.
This is just a headline of some of the work
that we've been doing.
So I'm gonna hand over to my colleague, Maria,
who's going to do a brief presentation.
I have lost internet connexion, so it's not, yeah, sorry.
All the will in the world connected before and it's, my internet connexion is gone.
Do we have the presentation available that you can show on screen?
Thank you.
Thank you.
IT gremlin is always getting in the way, unfortunately.
Thank you.
So the Council have a statutory duty to monitor air quality.
Whereas in exceedance of UK objectives, they are required to declare an air quality management
area and implement an air quality action plan.
So in 2001, the Council declared the whole of the borough an air quality management area,
and the current air quality action plan was adopted in September 2023.
The council worked in the different approach
and working with citizens assembly.
A citizens assembly produced a report
with 53 recommendations
and the current air quality action plan
has 62 recommendations which are delivered by teams
across the council.
And they've also implemented, adopted
the air quality target which is more in line
with the interim WHO targets.
So just briefly how we monitor,
we have three different ways.
Our automatic monitoring stations,
which is the photo on the left,
they were refreshed and now they include PM2 .5.
The middle is the diffusion tubes,
and on the right are our new Read London nodes.
Yep, next slide.
This is just a snapshot of the long -term trends in NO2.
So the grey line at the top there on the left in the 60s, that is a location in Putney,
if you can see how it's produced.
I've also added W47, which wasn't in the report, and that's the only one that exceeds the UK
objectives currently for 2024.
Just to jump in there, this is only a sample of the data.
The full data is available in the annual status report, but it gives you an idea of the trends.
As you can see Putney High Street, probably one of the most polluted areas in London a
few years ago is now obviously managing to tackle that, so it's a good news thing.
But obviously we keep an eye on the area very carefully.
And the next slide is a map which shows the trends and how our diffusion tube network
has spread across the borough.
We will provide a link to this, which is a zoomable map.
is a bit more interactive after the presentation.
There you go.
But it's not all about traffic.
So this just is a depiction of all the case work
that we undertake.
Just a nice little map there.
And then one of the most important tasks,
and there's a slide in the next one,
is to say planning and development.
So planning and development is one of our most
important areas of work.
It's important not only to protect the receptors
during construction and demolition,
but also that when the development's operational,
it doesn't have an adverse effect on air pollution.
And then the next slide is just basically
what we've achieved.
So we've got a little bit this in our report.
And we can see there's just a depiction of the nine elms.
So we talked about planning and development.
There were high levels of pollution in nine elms.
and we now have a officer, dedicated line arms officer,
looking at the construction demolition.
The pictures on the right are all the events
we just attended over the summer.
We've increased our engagement quite a lot.
And then just in case you didn't know,
our team won the LGC medium team year of the award
for air quality.
And now I will pass over to Ruth.
One of our key projects is our school accreditation scheme,
which is launching very soon.
Thank you, I'm Ruth Pates, I'm one of the air quality ambassadors and
it's been a real pleasure to work with the air quality team on this accreditation programme.
And the main reason for that is it offers schools a way of starting at their own
pace with an assessment from the air quality team, working out where they are,
getting engaged with all the education and initiatives they want to take.
So it's not imposing any solutions like school streets or anything else.
It goes with what the schools want to do.
and engaging the children and their parents,
and also giving them a visible mark of achievement.
So they get a certificate, banners outside the school,
to demonstrate to themselves and other people
what they've achieved.
And it's all about using the evidence
from their assessment, carrying out activities
that involve the school community,
and publicising it to others.
And I'd really like to invite or encourage anybody
who, at this table or in your teams,
who's interested to come and see and talk to the kids who are involved with these programmes.
And we had a chance to do that at the Putney Eco Fair.
I don't know if anyone was there.
But there were a lot of schools already doing a lot of work on air quality and other climate
initiatives.
And just to speak with the children about how proud they were of what they were doing
and the contribution they were making to their local area.
It was really something to see.
And I think that's the strength of this scheme is it starts with them and works its way
out, nothing's imposed from the outside. So, thank you.
I'd just like to jump in on that and just say this is the first of its kind scheme and
we want to start spreading it to other boroughs. There's been a lot of interest. So, it's only
just started, it's going to be launching on Friday. Just to give you an idea of how we've
been working with schools, we are going to be able to hand out gold accreditation to
an awful lot of schools right up front because we've already been working with them. So,
what I would say, it's a really good scheme and we hope to spread it across London and
So, that's really beyond.
And that is one of our actions for focus,
is how we spread that across all of the schools.
So, we've engaged with all of them,
but not all of them are actively participating in the scheme.
Another area of focus is just one example,
the smoke control areas.
So, how we engage more and spread more awareness
about not just the emissions from traffic,
but also other areas such as smoke control
and indoor air quality.
I think what we're saying is that there's lots to do still.
We haven't resolved the problem.
We're heading towards our targets, but there's still an awful lot of work, and there's areas
around things like wood burning, construction activities that we still need to keep on top
of.
So we're not, we are patting ourselves on the back because the picture looks good, but
we can't be complacent.
And I think that's where we're gonna close.
Thank you, Ms. Andrews and team.
I think you're very deserving of patting yourself on the back
because you've been doing excellent work
all across the borough since the entire time
I've been a council member for.
So it really is really impressive.
Yeah, just well done on the paper.
And now we can open the floor up if there are any questions.
Councillor Brooks, start.
Thank you very much, Chair.
In the paper we have -
So could you introduce yourself?
Sure, sorry.
Councillor Ethan Brooks for Thamesfield Ward in Putney.
On page five on paragraph 12, it's discussed how the only
site that fails to meet the UK National Air Quality Objective is the junction
between West Hill and Merton Roads.
Given that's near the one -way system
where the mayor recently abandoned
the reorganisation of the one -way system,
are there any particular interventions in mind
to try and solve the air quality problem at that site,
aside from the sort of London -wide interventions
that are being made like ULEZ and things like that?
You wanna take that, Ms. Andrews?
There's a lot of areas around transport
that I can't answer for.
But there are certain things you can do.
It is a roadside site.
You have to remember where we're monitoring
is actually at curbside, so it is gonna show high.
What I will say is that even though it still exceeds,
the trend is still downwards.
But there's a lot of interventions you can do.
Obviously you can work with the schools around there.
You can ramp up your anti -idling.
You can see if there's any snags in that road
That's causing the traffic to stop running freely. So
It's a tricky one and it's one of those tough nuts to crack
But there's a lot of questions around transport that I probably can't answer at this point
Counsellor Osbourne question
Councillor Rex Osbourne to Ting Broadway
Yeah
first of all
It's great that we've got this good news storey across the board on air quality and
full marks to the team for all of that.
I think it's – I'm personally delighted to see the progress on Putney High Street.
I've sat on this committee for many years on and off since 2006 and it was always a
problem area and we see good progress there.
And that of course throws up the concern about difficulties with air quality in West Hill.
But I think it's worth stressing that the overall progress means that now if there isn't
a problematic area, it is relative to what is happening across the board where by and
large things are getting better.
And nevertheless, that means that we have to focus on it and do something about it.
And it's an area that therefore comes more into our focus.
No doubt about that.
If you've dealt a bit with one area and another area comes up on your radar, then you've got
to deal with that.
And that's the right thing for the council to be doing.
One thing that strikes me overall about it is the way in which Wandsworth Council, as
a council, is cutting edge on this, breaking new ground and setting examples to other boroughs,
is an exemplar borough in what it is doing for other boroughs in London.
And if I may say so, it is continuing a characteristic of the borough that has been true of all
administrations over many years.
We are a cutting edge borough that sets the bar for
other boroughs in London on many, many areas, and this is one of them.
And I like to think of myself as proud as a Wandsworth
Councillor that that's always the case.
So many, many good points on this report.
I do have a question.
So I have a duty to be a bit awkward, I think, on some of this stuff.
And I do have a question about it.
I'm interested in indoor air quality and across the borough, certainly.
But of course, I'm particularly keen on it because there have been some issues in recent
years with internal air quality in the markets in Tooting, which I know we've done some work
on, but I'd like to hear a bit more about it and how that work is progressing.
Thank you.
There's a couple of points on indoor air quality.
One is indoor air quality in the home, which is an area that's started to garner a lot
of interest.
And when we actually start monitoring things like candles,
cooking, burning incense, you see some horrendous levels.
I'm talking magnitudes above high streets.
But let's take a step back and say that the stuff
that comes out of exhaust pipes is slightly different
to somebody burning a candle in -house.
But if you're vulnerable, then obviously
it can impact on you.
So we're doing work around that.
We've already trained healthcare professionals
around how to spot things.
We provided guidance to people,
to the most vulnerable people.
and we're just starting to work with families
to look at monitoring in their homes
to see if there are triggers
that can actually stop these episodes of ill health.
Because currently at the moment,
I spoke to a registrar and when they see a patient,
they never look at the environmental conditions
that they're in, they just go back in this circle.
So we're hoping to do something around.
With regards to the markets,
there's an awful lot of work been going on there
and we've been working with them both.
It was an issue that was highlighted.
We are going to be doing a report on this.
Not a lot of this is public yet at the moment,
so I have to be a little bit careful,
but both markets have installed considerable
extraction systems to improve the equity in there.
We're working with them.
We have indoor monitoring and this whole programme will work.
So there's a really good new storey about that,
and it's something that most councils don't look at
is their internal markets,
but this was highlighted by a particular group.
But we've made considerable advancements.
The levels that we were getting originally have dropped significantly, but technically it's not public yet
But we want to do a report and work with the markets on that
Councillor Jeffries, you know
Thank You chair, Councillor James Jeffries for Temsfield Ward and
Given the board I represent with Councillor Brooks obviously have a strong interest in in Putney High Street and
and notwithstanding the points made by Councillor Osborne,
there's some really good progress being made
on an average basis.
But I guess given the current traffic situation,
I think I and I guess quite a few residents
would sort of struggle to recognise
some of the average figures here.
And again, recognise that the average is important
and we need that as sort of a way market.
But is there any sense of the frequency and timing
of the spikes where the quality deteriorates,
which might give us sort of a bit of a fuller picture
of the issue and therefore what we might be able to look at
in terms of helping to deal with those spikes?
I'm quite happy to share some of the data that I have,
but as an air quality professional,
the guidance is that you actually monitor
over a period of a year,
simply because there are changes throughout the seasons.
In the winter, you get high pollution from NO2
because cold inversion holds it down,
and in the summer, you get spikes in dust
and things like that.
But we do have real -time monitoring,
which is openly available to people.
I've reviewed a lot of it,
And I can't say that there is anything
that shows any levels like we've had before down there.
We don't see anything going backwards.
Whether at the end of the year there is an increase,
I'm not expecting it to be sort of 80 micrograms,
I'm expecting moderate if that actually happens.
And we've also, because Putney is an area of poor air,
has historically been an area of poor air quality,
we are keeping a focus on it.
And I've recently agreed to instal some additional diffusion tubes in some of the back streets as well.
So we aren't complacent about it even though it is getting better.
And at the moment in London because traffic is cleaner because U -Liz electric busses, electric cars,
congestion doesn't automatically mean that pollution is going to increase.
Because if you've got a tonne of busses sitting in a queue that are all electric, then you're not going to have an ox problem.
so I would just be wary but as a
Professional officer it's very difficult me to make a prediction what the year looks like but there is data and quite happy to share it
Counsellor apps
Counsellor Sara apps Shasta in Queenstown Ward and I would also like to welcome this report and the excellent work that's gone into it
as you say it's a sort of improving pictures, but with small patterns of
concerns within it and I noted of course with it being in my area the Thessaly Road indicator and how that's
seen
summarises as part of a general trend downwards on the pm -10s
So I'd like to ask a bit more about what our current approach is with extensive construction, which is obviously what impacted there and
On planning and construction. I was also interested to know if there were any additional
powers that you would like us to have,
whether or not they would need to be national changes,
that would help us to kind of improve air quality.
I've also got a secondary question,
which I hope I can tackle here as well,
which is more exploratory, which is,
we've obviously seen big improvements in our air quality.
As we see further improvements,
because obviously we'll continue to work to drive this down,
do the benefits kind of reduce in scale
or do we continue to see new health benefits
from improving air quality?
I actually grew up in the Highlands where air quality is,
I mean, you have a palpable difference when I get home
in what the air quality is like,
and that would be hard task to get it to there,
but are there additional health benefits
from reducing it still further
or do those improvements start to decrease?
On the second point, I'd say the World Health Organisation
have pinned their colours to the mast,
and they've said that this is the levels
we should be looking at.
Obviously, they're not achievable overnight
in a complex city like London,
so we were one of the first boroughs
to look at the interim levels.
We hope that by the end of the action plan,
we achieve that, and we think we should be able
to achieve that, because we wouldn't have put it forward
otherwise.
I think we have about eight or nine areas
that exceed our self -imposed objective levels
and we need to work hard to get them down.
What that looks like in terms of individual health
is really difficult to tell
because we're having to rely on clinicians
to give us that data,
which is why the home environment
needs to be a part of that picture.
In terms of construction,
Wandsworth is an exemplar with regards to Nine Elms.
There was significant problems with PM10,
which is dust mainly from construction.
And ones who have made an investment in staffing,
that staffing was there to keep those companies in cheque.
So you can have all of your wonderful plans
and environmental plans on the shelf,
unless there's somebody on the ground in a hive
is waving a stick at them, very little changes.
So Maria could probably talk more to this,
but we saw basically as soon as we start interacting
with them and driving change,
We also have the London NRMM project,
which looked at the engines
as showing the other certain standards.
So all of these things come together
and we manage to bring into compliance very, very quickly.
So, and it is something that we should be doing
as a borough as a whole,
because it's a borough of development
and this should be picked up as part of that.
But we have an ongoing conversation.
So yeah, I think it's about having boots on the ground
to make sure people are complying.
That's the most significant thing.
Councillor Cook, did you still have a question?
Yeah, thank you. Jonathan Cook, Lavender Ward.
I was just wondering what the latest assessment is of the proportions of pollutants coming from,
while transport is presumably still the biggest chunk, then heating of buildings,
then there's this mention here of commercial activities and restaurants and things,
Just a sense of how those proportions might be changing,
or maybe they're not.
So every few years there's what's called
the London inventory emissions model is produced.
And it is basically a mapping
of what we think the pollutants are.
Some of that can be inaccurate,
and sometimes it can be out of date.
So the latest version I think is 2022.
And it does say that road transport is still an issue.
Obviously we've moved on three years since then,
so that may change.
Construction is a big issue as well,
and that's engines on construction as well as dust.
Commercial cooking I think is still about 18%.
Oh no, sorry, wood burning is 18%,
commercial cooking is more than that for PM2 .5.
So we've got an eye on what's happening.
How accurate that is is difficult to say,
but that's the best tool we have available.
Thank you, Councillor Lourdes.
Thank you, Councillor Sean Lourdes
for the Tooting Broadway Award.
Thanks so much for all the work you guys are doing
and for the excellent presentation
and all the data you're providing.
I think it's clear to see that ULS is having a real impact.
As you've said, the mayor's new busses are making an impact
and I think some of the initiatives that we've made
and improvements we've made as administration
and walking and cycling is definitely helping.
So when we came into power,
we did pledge to improve air quality
and it sounds like pledge delivered there,
but the work doesn't stop.
One of the questions I had was a technical one
around WA and W4.
They're both on Mitcham Road, page six, you can see the map.
They're both on Mitcham Road,
but one is always showing a higher reading than the other.
Is it literally how far away you are from the pavement
makes such a huge impact?
NO2 drops off very quickly.
So if you move away from the source, it does reduce.
I think it follows what's called the inverse square law.
So as you step back, it reduces.
However, there is still a wider blanket of it.
So when we looked at lockdown, it
was a perfect opportunity to look at nitrogen dioxide.
and it dropped, but it wasn't dramatic.
I mean, it dropped about 15 micrograms.
So it does show you that it's existing everywhere anyway,
because people using heating in their homes
will be creating this.
But yeah, if you move away from an exhaust pipe,
so one of these sites is actually curb site.
So it's on a lamppost right there by the road.
And if you then put one around a corner,
sort of 10 metres away,
it will show a significant difference.
And what we try to do is challenge ourselves.
So we are making sure we're looking at the most polluted areas. We don't put them in a park and say air quality is fine
Castle Brooks
Thank you very much. Just to pick up where Councillor Jeffries and mr. Andrews left off on the partner question
I appreciate that the the data showing some really welcome improvements on Putney High Street itself
But looking at the maps, we haven't got measurement sites along Lower Richmond Road and along Putney Bridge Road,
which is where we've seen a big increase in congestion in the last year,
since the changes at the junction by Putney Bridge.
Is it possible we're missing some growth in the area of affected areas in Putney,
not withstanding the improvements on the High Streets itself.
Can I just cover some of the locations in Putney that we have?
So, just gonna have a look at my map.
I'm happy to share this data, by the way.
So we've got PM10 monitoring, PM2 .5, and nitrogen dioxide at Putney High Street.
These are automated stations on Felsham Road.
Very expensive piece of equipment.
and obviously we can't put them everywhere
because it would be too costly.
We also have low -cost monitors.
They're at Putney High School, Cotton Drive,
Putney High Street, Putney Disraeli Road,
Putney Bridge, Weimar Street.
We also have diffusion tubes.
Let's have a look.
Sorry, bear with me.
There's a lot of information here.
We have three diffusion tubes also,
and they are located in Felsham Road, Putney, Putney Hill.
We also have a citizen science project
with the Putney Society that do their own monitoring.
We help them out, and we have agreed
to do two further locations.
We're also investing, we've got a new set
of indicative monitors that are coming out.
We've just arranged a procurement for that.
And one of these locations is gonna be there.
So we are trying as best we can to cover it
If I can come back on that, thank you very much that's really useful I think that all
Nearly all of those sites are along the narrow strip down Putney Hill and down the high streets. So if when you're thinking about
Placements of future
monitoring sites going down Putney Bridge Road and down lower Richmond roads
I would recommend you choosing those sites,
because otherwise we're missing everything apart
from the traffic coming down from the A3.
Always happy to have a conversation about that.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I had a question which I think will be either
Mr. Andrews or maybe Ms. Pates as one of the ambassadors
involved in the accreditation.
and I just thought it'd be useful for the audience as well.
Normally when you think about improving air quality
in schools, you'd think about school streets.
I was wondering if you could also talk a bit more
about what else you're doing with the accreditation
with the schools.
Yeah, well the starting point for all of them
is to have the air quality team go in to do an audit.
So it gives them a picture of what's happening
inside the school and it helps them to pick what actions they want to take.
So it may be a school street and a couple have gone that way, but it can also be things
like education events and that's one of the first things that happens with the pupils
and then they make an offer to the teachers, the governors and the parents.
So just to get everyone educated about air pollution and how it might affect the school.
And then it can be really small things like some of the stopping idling and again if it
comes from the school, it's very different
from if it comes from the outside.
So it might be something like that,
you see the kids with placards and things
outside the school dealing with the parents,
choosing days where they may not drive to school.
So there's a kind of graded way of doing things.
And I guess some people are a bit cautious
or nervous about going straight for a school street,
but this gives everybody a chance to have the education,
the knowledge, start with something small
and build up from there.
So I don't know if I missed anything critical.
Yeah, there's a really long checklist
that we have to get them to comply with,
so we can share that with you.
But I think it's got about 30 different measures in
to get gold standard, but they've all been
very, very enthusiastic, and as I say,
we can probably already hand that out
to a number of schools straight away,
because they've obviously been working with us for years.
Yeah, it's really brilliant.
Were there any other questions for the team?
No, okay, that's fine.
So thank you for your presentations.
I just need to ask the committee
whether you wish to note the report.
Okay, as noted, all right, yeah.
Thank you very much for all of your brilliant work
that you've been doing with air quality.
So that concludes that agenda item.

4 Wandsworth Moves Together - Year 1 Update and Future Outlook (Paper No. 25-320)

So onto Agenda Number 4, that is Paper Number 25 -320,
which is the Wurmsworth Moves Together,
Year One Update and the Future Outlook.
So I think there's gonna be a bit of musical chairs.
I'm not sure who's starting to lead it.
Is it you, Mr. Eadie, that's on the presentation, or is it?
You can have the one, two, one, two, three.
No, no, no.
Does anyone have anything to say?
Okay.
No worries.
Take it away.
Good evening, everyone.
My name is Mark Fisher.
I'm the interim head of leisure and contracts for Richmond and Wandsworth.
A number of colleagues with me this evening.
I'd like to introduce Aaron?
Hi everyone.
I'm Harry Geffins, Sports Development and Partnership Manager for Wandsworth.
Hello, my name is Laura Bassett.
I've been working on Alton Community Well -being.
Hi everyone, my name is Michael Wood.
I'm the Leisure Sports and Physical Activity Officer for Wandsworth Council.
Tom Alexander, Assistant Director for Culture and Leisure across Richmond and Wandsworth.
Thank you.
This report provides
an update on year one and year two plans
for the
Wandsworth
Move Together
24 -29 strategy.
This plan was approved in June 24
and aims to inspire
and empower
all residents
regardless of age,
background or ability
to lead active
healthy lives.
In its first year the strategy
has delivered
progress across its three core
themes.
Active people,
communities and active environments.
This report outlines achievements to date,
sets out the year 2 action plan
and reaffirms our commitment
to making Wandsworth
one of the most active and equitable
boroughs in London.
I will pass it over to Harry.
I will quickly run through
the year 1 achievements.
In the report you will see a lot more
information based on the detailed action plan released approximately a year and a half ago.
But what I've done is just pulled out some key areas of key development that's happened
across the borough.
From the presentation, you'll see there are some in bold, so these will be highlighted
throughout the presentation in a bit more depth.
The ones not in bold, I'll briefly give you a quick overview in terms of the achievements
come out of those.
So initially, if I just go touch on the Women and Girls Working Group, which I hope we all
are aware of since the last committee meeting
where we had residents come and present.
That was really, really successful.
We had over 25 different individuals attend regularly
throughout the year who fed into an action plan
which officers are now actively engaging with
and delivering with some successes
which will be highlighted in the action plan in year two.
The women and girls focused on seven themes
that they thought were relevant to their experiences
and their communities.
These seven themes were affordability,
secondary school girls, representation, settings, safety,
well -being, and information.
So we'll be using this information as a core basis
for all of our women and girls in physical activity
moving forward.
If I quickly touch on play zones,
exciting, we now have now three Football Foundation
play zones which are committed to being built.
Timeframes are a bit moving around at the minute
due to circumstances with facilities and housing.
but this is expected to be completed
around sometime next year,
or definitely building works to be started.
These play zones will help community usage
in different areas across the borough,
these being the Henry Prince Estate,
the George Shin Centre, and Heath Brook Park
with the LA's network also connecting into that,
which will hopefully increase the capacity
for physical activity across the borough.
Exciting we have new contracts with leisure providers,
with places and leisure.
Places Leisure being confirmed for 10 years plus five.
Likewise with Enable who have been at the centre
for three years.
Excitingly, Places' new 10 year partnership
will see a significant amount of investment
into the facilities.
Around 24 million pounds of investment
focusing on Putney Leisure Centre, Tooting Leisure Centre,
Wandle Rec, Roehampton Sports and Fitness Centre,
Ballum Leisure Centre, Tooting, Bet Lido,
Battersea Sports Centre and the Latchmere Leisure Centre.
And likewise with the Nine Elms Community Facility,
which is currently being developed.
If I move on, I'm just gonna go through
some specific data and key successes.
So I hope we're all aware that Parkland
is obviously now active in Battersea Park.
It's considered one of the most popular in the world.
If I casual for a quick minute,
I actually read last night in my late night reading that it's now one of the top ten most
popular park runs in the UK, which is quite significant with it only being around for
40 weeks.
From the data you'll see there are some dips.
This tends to be due to weather circumstances, park availability, bank holidays.
So park runs have been really, really good for the borough.
It offers free activity for local residents.
We've got new people coming to the borough and we have consistent people now engaging
regularly in physical activity with support from volunteers.
Key figures from the graph show many different things.
The most exciting one for me refers to the 3 ,233 individuals, which is the green line
at the bottom across the year.
They've done their first ever parkrun obviously without the inception of a super park room
These people may never been active. So there's three thousand two hundred thirty three individuals that we have reached and now getting active
There's more data on that if you want it to be shared in terms of general capacity
the park rooms had but it's quite significant in terms of the average kind of participation and
The over 40 ,000 people they've attended throughout the year
Moving on to Access for All, which has been hugely successful.
I've pulled some kind of demographics forward for you in terms of who's accessing Access
for All.
So we have a fairly even split between male and female, with male residents taking up
the offer more, with a small percentage preferring not to say their gender.
It's been a fairly dominant,
five, 39 to 49 year olds in their 50s
who are accessing the Access for All programme.
There's some significant work to be done
towards the under 10s and maybe parents
to ensure that they're doing activities together.
But overall, we're really impressed
with the amount of people who are accessing it.
I just want to note that these figures here
will show the strategy year,
which total will not come to the 87 ,000 pounds,
which was press release, which is from the inception
of Access for All.
This is the strategic year, so in the strategic year,
we've had 44 ,682 active sessions
with people booking on to sessions.
Moving on to the next slide.
Just giving you a bit more detail of who's attending.
So on the pie chart on your right,
you'll see from the 4 ,131 individual registered members, there's a breakdown of their circumstances
of people on universal credit making of the majority of the amount, people on free access
of free school meals, and the small one which I've left on here. But there's a broad split.
And again, people might be accessing different,
they might come from varying backgrounds.
These are just what they've disclosed
when they're being active and mentioned.
And then briefly, just for your information,
the most popular sites of where people are accessing,
as you can imagine, the biggest sites,
the most attended through that.
It's more the exciting part for me.
This is what people are actually being active and doing.
So I'm apparting that there's actually a lot of information on this, so I've got some figures here to just break it down for you.
So from all of the visits that we've had for people, because people can do an array of different activities as you can see.
The most popular, gym, swimming, saunon steam, pilates, aquafit, attending the health suite, group cycling, junior gym and body pump classes.
The important thing that Access for All has been able to deliver is making sure that people
who haven't been able to be active or prevented through financial restrictions are now having
the opportunity to be active across the borough, engaging in an array of different activities
and not just standard formal activities as an array that they can engage with.
So now I'm going to move on to some more exciting work presented by Laura, a colleague who's
who's been doing some fantastic work at the Alton.
Thank you, yes, so I've been on the Alton
for 100 days over the last year,
sort of working from everywhere,
from the family hub to the library to the local CAF,
meeting with residents and discussing with them their needs
and also meeting with local providers
in a kind of relational way
and capacity building way as well.
This is a sort of breadth of activities
that we've had sort of small commissions for
across the Alton, so investing in local leaders
to deliver to groups of people they know want to do something,
they have a place to do it, and unlocking
the opportunity for people.
With those with the relationships with residents
bringing those people in, a point of frustration
for many of the local providers has
been delivering to empty rooms or to the same people
over and over again.
And so we wanted to avoid that happening,
which meant going a bit more slowly
and finding activities that people really wanted to do
and being sure that they would attend
were we able to provide those activities.
Within the work as well, we were always mindful
of the legacy of my role, and that involved
having some assets that are going to go on for further use.
So one of those assets is a directory of local activities,
not seeking to replicate, get active in any way.
The directory includes things like chocolate making
workshops, basically places where you can find people,
but they may be able to do taster sessions
and then be brought into more physical activity.
So that activity directory allowed me to identify gaps
in provision and also all the local provider landscape.
And so using that, that really informed some of the small commissions as well.
And we also undertook two pilots, so one of which was intensive swimming at Ipstock Place Private School.
So unlocking a school asset for community use there for a week of swimming lessons for
14 children on the Alton, 60 % of whom had high send needs.
We also ran a couch to 5k pilot.
We didn't unfortunately have the space to do a park run in
In that area that we could get people from the Alton to easily and so we ran a couch to 5k pilot
Leaving from the library as a base and going into local green spaces
and the approach throughout was informed by behavioural change principles and
Supporting people to access activities. Yeah through their relationship to the space and to the people that were already taking part
So in some ways, we also trialled buddying
by taking people, physically taking them
to spaces where they could interact with activities
that were going on.
But for many people, it wasn't just
about a lack of opportunity.
It was about capacity, motivation,
and finding the underlying drive that
would connect them to the activity.
Many of them have real complex barriers to activity as well,
including severe mental health challenges
and a range of physical disabilities
that might stand in their way and conditions.
And so, yeah, we're investing in local leaders, and we've kind of formed our own multi -sector
mini version of the C -SPAN that's heavily connected to the C -SPAN and very similar in
aims.
That is led by the local VCS leaders, and we had our first really successful meeting
the other day with 17 attendees.
We also ran some leadership training for local residents in behavioural change, in coaching
principles, in community connecting principles,
and supporting them to develop their leadership skills.
And that was delivered to 20 residents,
and we hope to run that out again as well.
And yeah, people have been encouraged
to meet with other providers on, sort of incidentally
and organically, the power of sort
of brokering social connexions between residents
that weren't familiar and providers that
are providing those services.
Perfect.
Thank you, Laura.
And we're going to introduce Michael, who's
introduce the C -SPAN and also the year two action plan focuses. Thanks Harry.
I unfortunately I am replacing the the planned speaker who was going to be
Keith Newton who is actually the chair of the C -SPAN but he does have coaching
commitments that he couldn't get out of with the Herrnhill Harrier so he's
doing a lot of work and thankfully he's doing the running and I'm doing
the talking just now so that makes my life a whole lot better.
So yes, so the C -SPAN,
I am the lead officer within service for the C -SPAN.
It was launched with a joint event alongside Richmond.
There was over 75 organisations,
people who attended that event.
This is from the infographic.
This is some summary of the thoughts,
the insights that those people were able to provide us gave us a real depth and breadth
of what we wanted to achieve through the C -SPAN and through the implementation of the C -SPAN.
One of the biggest strengths that we have got in the C -SPAN is the passion and commitment
of the people involved, and I think that's been replicated when we've launched the
specific C -SPAN which had 16 participants from the public, private,
voluntary and charity sector all coming together to contribute to the
development and the monitoring of the Wandsworth Move Together strategy. So
looking at the year one review and objectives that were in place within
that and also seeing how the learnings that we can take from what has been
achieve but also the gaps that we might have found, particularly when we're speaking to
people like Laura who's been involved in that delivery in the communities, finding out what
works for local people and local groups and organisations.
So that has been key to feed that information into the C -SPAN so it provides a broad network,
sorry, a breadth of information about how we can progress through that.
The C -SPAN does look at a whole system and partnership approach, but we've been using
the subgroups and we've got different people involved in the subgroups that will feed into
the C -SPAN.
So as we see the C -SPAN as a steering group, looking across all the broad objectives, we'll
have different people involved in the subgroups for women and girls inclusion and accessibility
and the sports clubs.
Each of the people involved with those subgroups has particular expertise and experience in
those fields and then they will feed back into the insights that they learn into the
C -SPAN so we can make sure that we are not just monitoring the objectives but we're also
guiding those objectives and then making sure that we can deliver on the ground with those
objectives.
So that will come from the evaluation that we'll do within the C -SPAN.
They're going to meet four times a year, and from each of that there will be that review
and evaluation, and then looking at the developments that we can make to make sure we meet those
objectives within the Year 2 action that you can see that we're moving into.
and the ones with moves together year two has a clear focus on access inclusion
ensuring that all residents regardless of age ability or background can benefit
from an active lifestyle this has been shaped by the C -SPAN and how we want to
how they've decided that these objectives will be part of the action
plan and also builds on the priorities and the progress that we made in year one and
then some of those actions will be continuing into year two, specifically around the women
and girls, the creating a state -based activity provision and also the online activity finder
as well.
All these will be supported by the other year two objectives.
The idea is that we create these community -led place -based activity provisions in areas of higher deprivation.
Examples, as we've already heard from Laura about the Alton, but also when Stanley and Henry Prince,
where we're looking at the play zones and how we can support those sites being activated.
But we're also still looking at universal provision, making sure that there's improvement
and increases across offer for everybody in Wandsworth.
We're looking at objectives such as diversifying the workforce, supporting sports clubs and
local organisations, strengthening partnerships with VCS and utilising neighbourhood facilities
and improving accessibility to schools and other community assets which are all designed
to build capacity and capability at a local community level.
Something to note is that none of these objectives will be delivered in isolation.
They all vary connected with each other so that if you look at something like diversifying
the workforce, the idea is that once we've made progress in that objective, then that
will lead to more activities being available.
And we'll also look at how we can create new opportunities
by opening up the school facilities for community use.
We're also moving in a really positive direction
with our engagement through the health sector.
And within C -SPAN, we see it as vital
that we strengthen those relationships to help us reach
those most that need physical activity interventions
and who suffer from the highest health inequalities.
And that's all for the report.
And that concludes the presentation
and we welcome any questions.
Thank you very much, team.
And yeah, there's so much covered there,
such a broad amount, especially when there was
the access for statistics.
And you saw about 400 different activities
They're not by chart. It's really impressive what you're doing. I think council apps you
Yeah, thanks very much
Really good to see in fact. We saw great presentation from the women and girls
Task force sorry task and finish group as well, so it's great to hear from all of you today
I wanted to dig into that a little bit as the kind of sole female counsellor here
I was very heartened to see the split in gender of access for all activities.
It would be really good to see in, if we all come back here in a year's time, or some new
and some existing cancers come back here in a year's time, and have a look at this again,
we will be able to see some hard data with some of the baselines of women and girls participation
now and some new data and do you think we will have a good level of improvement in terms
of women and girls' involvement in different sports and activities and do the Women and
Girls Task Force have an idea of where they think that growth will come from and where
we think we can increase female participation?
It's obviously very important for health outcomes and very important for enjoyment too for women
of girls to be able to participate?
Yeah, to simply answer your question,
I think the task and finish group have been significant
in our plans and we've already seen the inroads
that they're making.
We're happy to be announcing that we're launching
a Women and Girls Only grant, which is focused
on women and girls activity across the borough,
focused on capital and revenue investments.
So we're not only wanting to make women and girls,
well, at physical activity spaces safer for women
and girls to be active, but also activating these spaces
in terms of how we can engage with them.
We're working with our partners at the minute
to get a better understanding of how women
are using our gym spaces and what they're using more.
I think if we was to open up the offer
to memberships, the dates we have there
to memberships across the board
in terms of our leisure centres,
most of the memberships would be from women and girls.
And that's the place that we're wanting to get through,
that we're not only just having women and girls
signing up to memberships, but actively engaging
and breaking down those barriers
to regular attendance and physical activity.
So I think with support from our partners and engagement with more residents will be able to do more
I think having this grant coming out will be significant as making those in roads
You don't want to come in as well Miss Edie?
If I come in as well chair and
Just building on that point and the fantastic success of the lionesses this year and also hopefully the roses on Saturday
there is going to be a spike in interest,
so it's really important we capture that
and celebrate that and good role models
for women and girls.
But that also comes with a challenge,
and you would have seen around assets.
So traditionally, men and boys have had
the predominant use in most of our playing fields,
our astroturfs, sports halls, and things like that.
So our focus needs to be through these grants
that we are pushing forward and our new assets and investment that we're creating spaces
for women and girls to be able to expand into rather than the traditional groups that always
end up with these.
So it's really important that women and girls get their first choice in the new investment
that we're putting forward.
Councillor Osborne, do you have a question?
Yes, just one request, one expression of concern, and some, I think, important points to note
about this paper.
The first request is that we talked at the last meeting about how we would remove the
no ballgame signs from our council estates.
And it would be good at some stage at this committee to have an update on where we got
with that.
So just a request for that.
The area of concern is connected with a massive positive.
I'm thrilled to see the 24 million pound investment in our leisure centres and the work with places
and leisure.
In Tooting in particular there is some local concern about physical access to the Tooting
Leisure Centre along Greaves Place because of the frequency with which cars are parked
on the pavement in that short piece of road, forcing children and families to go into the
road in order to get to the leisure centre.
And we really ought to have a look at that and see if we can do something about it.
But what I really wanted to say about the 24 million is, and the other work that we're
doing here, is it's not just a set of statistics.
If you read the paper, it talks about how we are working to show our, or to make a contribution
to the borough, a commitment to the people of the borough, and to change people's lives,
to make it possible for people to get engaged in the kind of activity that's described here
in a way in which it has not always been possible before.
There are too many examples in the paper to list them all, but one that really strikes
me is the talk about establishing an inclusive working group for the inclusion of children
or young people in the borough with special educational needs and disabilities.
This is an area which we are looking at in detail in the Children's Committee at the
our provision for children with special educational needs
and the provision of educational health and care plans
in the borough.
And there are some challenges in that,
but here we are, part of this paper
and part of the proposals here
recognising how important that area of work is
for directorates beyond the Children's Directorate,
for everything we do as a borough,
all our activities, including our attempts and our work to draw in a greater number of our residents
into the facilities and the active events and things that we're providing.
I'm thrilled by it and I think it should be noted and recognised by this committee how important it is and what we're doing.
And I was going to talk about the red roses at 4 p .m. on Saturday and one small contribution we can at least make is at least tune in on Saturday and cheer for the team.
But almost everything that I was going to say on that has been covered, so I'll shut up. Thank you very much everyone
Mr.. Edie did you want to come back on that Oh?
Perhaps I could cover the first two points and with the leave the 24 million dollar question to mr.
Edie so that the first two points so
Regarding no ball game signs were obviously as ECS. We're working ever closer with our housing colleagues
and the state manager is there.
So I will, sorry I haven't got the list at the moment, but we'll get that remaining
no -ball games list for you next few days, I'd hope.
Also within ECS is a direct sphere of responsibilities, parking enforcement.
So I actually wasn't aware of the issues at Scree's place, isn't it, next to the
as we often do, some targeted enforcement at key moments through a few days and let's
see where that takes us and if it succeeds all the better, but we'll review that after,
let's say, a week or so.
Probably that will take a few days to put in place, but we'll give it a go starting
sometime next week.
And Mr Eddy, do you want to come back on the new one?
Sure.
I think
just to pick up on the point about the
investment, because we recognise it is a big
investment and we are trusted with a lot of
money.
I think one of the things that is really
encouraging is that we are already having
really good conversations with partners
across the public sector and other areas
around our ambitions around an active
wellbeing system.
You can invest a lot in kit, which makes
people feel good that already go to gyms,
but actually we are investing in
changing the mindset so that people feel
as if even if they don't come into our venues,
actually there's a way that they can engage in moving more.
And we're having a workshop towards the end of October.
We've already got various parts of the health economy coming,
various departments from the council,
the University of Roehampton, et cetera, et cetera.
So there's a real willingness,
not just to improve what we've got,
but actually change the way we think about active well -being.
Thank you.
Councillor Kirk, I think you're next.
Thank you, there's a lot of great stuff here.
I was interested in the work on the Alton estate
and the mention of it being informed
by behavioural change principles.
Just wondering if you could elaborate a little bit
on what that actually looks like in this context.
Yes, so I think we looked at the CO model the most,
so capacity, opportunity, and motivation
can result in behavioural change.
And looking at that in my resident conversations,
we talked about how we can create access to opportunities
by really connecting with their drivers,
their internal drivers,
and their most motivating thing that they can do.
And that can be very confronting work for people
because obviously it has a connexion sometimes
to sort of their mortality even,
or to quite private goals.
And talking with people about what their motivation is
towards getting more physically active,
you can then start to have a conversation about what
are the ways in which you enjoy being physically active
and how can we bridge that for you.
And a lot of that is about social connexion as well,
just having somebody to go along with the first time,
the introduction, that buddying idea.
And so we did that.
We tried to create a really supportive small group
within the catch to 5K that people felt they could maybe
not come one day and they might be missed.
And then they will get a text message saying,
we all missed you.
And then they'd come back in that way.
Relationships are kind of the grappling hooks
that hold you into activity and keep that activity sustained.
Particularly for those that are at that kind of naught
to something point in their journey.
The first steps are very tentative
and you can really make mistakes in those first few occasions
of not being welcoming enough that can just put them off
and keep them not coming back.
So that, and then also within the leadership package
that we rolled out to the 20 residents, some of which
have multiple leadership hats on the old tin.
We talked about the grey model of coaching and the co -model of behavioural change within that leadership training
So that they felt comfortable holding those conversations with their peers
Counsellor Jeffries
Thanks very much chair and sort of to please really and I think is the only
Welshman here if we could please put on record our support for women's teams across the Union. I think that would be very good
Looking perhaps a bit more seriously,
just on the investment point and working with schools
to explore how they could use their physical facilities more.
Hotham Primary School in Temsfield Ward School,
I and my children know very well,
they have a dilapidated building in their playground
which would make really excellent space
for the community right in the heart of Putney,
and this sort of a bit of a desert of spaces there.
So they have applied for funding for a number of years.
It's not happened to date,
and the previous administration hasn't happened yet
under this.
It'd be great if we could get that sorted for them.
It's a fairly significant commitment, to be fair,
but that would be a source of real value
for the community there.
Did anyone want to come back or was that more of a comment?
There's more comment, okay.
Cash -wraps?
Yeah, I wanted to dig back into Access for All.
So a lot of the events for Access for All
are either very low cost or free,
a number of them being free.
I'm kind of aware of human behaviour,
I'm aware of my own behaviour.
Sometimes when I book things for free,
I then don't feel such a loss if I don't go.
And that can be hard to tackle because we're
trying to reduce the kind of barriers
for people's participation.
So that kind of encourages having free classes
and so forth.
But on the other hand, we want to make sure
that we have a limit on the number of no shows
and that we kind of have as full participation as possible.
I was aware, I mean I know there's various things have been tried like class pass for
example you sort of you book your place and then it's only if you don't show up that you
get charged more.
So that's a good incentive for setting up.
But obviously that's quite punitive and we might not want to be punitive in that way
with access for all given that people are already on low incomes.
Could you talk to us a little bit about how you're trying to tackle some of these issues
to kind of reduce barriers but kind of square the circle
of also increasing participation at each session?
Yeah, happily.
So what we do, we work closely with our partners
to ensure this.
So most providers, I mean, I can speak from the side
of the neighbour who are access for all partners
and they will adopt their own policy scheme
which their usual members will have.
Typically if it's a no -show, you can't book online
a certain amount of days before,
if you don't attend three sessions in a row.
So that's one method that one of our partners
are doing to combat that.
It's important to know that that won't mean
access was taken away from families and individuals
because they still might really engage with other things
and there's different barriers facing that
and that's up to us to work with our leisure partners
to tackle with and that's what we will be doing
with our active community offices coming into our new,
into the sites as of October.
So yeah, we work with our partners quite closely upon that
and adopt their method that they, again,
use for their paying members.
And we don't have the information necessarily
on those shows at the moment,
but it's definitely something we can explore
to kind of get that percentage.
We just get the amount of visits
that have been attended at the moment.
Firstly, would you like to?
Just a quick follow -up on that,
and of course places who are our partner,
the main partner now with the
leisure centres. There's a
very small charge about two
pounds, two pound fifty but you
can, that's up until 2 hours
before. So, actually, most
people, we don't, having sat in
a few monitoring metres, it
doesn't come as a big issue but
also, they're flexible because
obviously, if they've got
inclusive membership and
they've got people using things
for particular reasons, then
they'll be flexible about some
of those things because they'll
understand the context. So,
it's not quite the blunt tool
of some of the premium gyms of free strikes when you're out.
It's a little bit more nuanced than that.
Did you want to come back or?
Any other questions for the officers?
No, okay.
Well, this paper is also for,
just for note and for information,
so is the paper noted?
Great.
Great.
Thank you again for all your work on the paper.
So, our final item of discussion of the evening is the OSC work programme.

5 Environment OSC Work Programme (Paper No. 25-321)

So would you like to expand on that, Dan?
I'll just say a few very brief words, Councillors.
The work programme in front of you is, as it says on the top of the document, it's a work
in progress.
It's a live document.
We had our first initial meeting with Councillor Brooks, the Chair and other colleagues, and
continue to have those sessions outside of the formal committee process to populate the
work programme.
You'll notice there is a definite gap for February, so we'll be having one of those
sessions to seek another substantive item.
But again, as before, if you've got any suggestions or areas where you think it would be useful
for the committee to have a paper or presentation or a briefing note, please feed that through
to either Councillor Brooks or the Chair or myself
and we can go through that and explore the possibility
with officers of getting a paper to committee.
Were there any comments on this?
Or we just, oh, Councillor Brooks.
Thank you very much.
We briefly discussed yesterday the possibility
of a financial paper coming in November.
I just wanted to confirm with the wider committee
what we think of the utility of that.
Like I said in that meeting,
this committee is the only real time
that councillors have the bandwidth
to really scrutinise that data.
I'm very relaxed about it,
it's not having it at every single OSCE meeting.
But I think the idea that it should only go to cabinet,
it doesn't make sense to me because we don't know what we're not seeing as we've discussed
before.
So, I would very much like to see a financial paper come to our committee in November.
Okay.
Did you want to come back on that first?
I think, yeah, we've discussed that before and said that we're sort of open about having
a financial paper that may be a more specific one, especially related to waste and the other
items.
Did you want to say anything on that?
Only to say that the papers that you're used to coming here will be going to Cabinet, and
the idea behind that is obviously Cabinet needs to take the responsibility behind the
budget.
But I appreciate what you say in terms of you don't know what you don't know.
But I wonder what would be better is rather than having those papers how you had them
before, perhaps if there were two or three different budget areas of specifics, and then
you could actually have some proper officer commentary in a paper on those areas, and
maybe we can work on that outside of this meeting.
I think by all means, let's discuss, because my instinct in terms of shaping the paper
is to front -load information into the paper itself.
If we don't feel the need to discuss it in the committee, we don't need to take up time on that but
If so that we come across thing that needs that needs flagging and discussing then we drop I'd
Much rather have the information in front of me to know to know whether or not I want to do that
Very have to take that offline with yourself and the chair and I'll speak to colleagues as well and make sure we have a good
approach for other things
Councillor Kirk, did you want to come in?
Well, just to very much endorse that,
and just an observation as well,
I don't think I've ever,
I mean, how many of these environment OSCs
have I sat through over the years?
I don't think I've ever seen an agenda this thin,
and the two main papers that we've just discussed,
which are both great,
but I mean, they're very much masses of consensus
to a very large extent, aren't they?
And both of these papers are almost entirely devoid
of financial information.
The last one was the mention of the 24 million leisure centre
amount, but absolutely no sense of context.
So in terms of financial information,
is that exactly what Councillor Brooks says?
It really is just this sense of, well, where's the context?
And I feel very much that I just don't know.
I don't think that's not a good situation.
We need to have a much better sense of what the bigger picture is.
Financial.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, this has been a shorter agenda, but I'd also counter that saying
that the last one we were absolutely gasping for time and we had to rush through some of
our papers.
So it's very much a sort of…
It's very much a swinging roundabout.
I think as well in the November committee there will be quite a large discussion on waste.
So I feel like that will also be a lot more of a media paper, so I'd imagine that meeting would be longer.
I guess, yeah, we've heard both yours and Councillor Buks' concerns about the financials,
and we can definitely take that offline and see what we can include in the November paper.
Councillor Osborne.
Yeah, can I just – I think I'm looking for clarification really from officers and
Councillor Brooks about what kind of financial discussion we require. If we look at Councillor
Brooks's famous epistemological problem about knowing what you don't know.
One of the problems with the financial information previously available was that there was so
much of it.
As one of his colleagues said to me, if you give everybody everything, in effect you're
giving them nothing because it's too much to cope with.
I would welcome a deep dive, I think, into a number of areas, looking at the financial
background to them.
And I think a specific financial topic, an area to look at the finances of, I think could
be very useful for our discussions and very useful for this committee.
I'd quite love to make sure that we don't, these are the sort of discussions that can
happen offline, but yeah, I feel like there's definitely a desire for some financial paper.
I feel like it can be structured in a better way because I feel like a lot of the time
when we had that finance paper come to committee,
it was a lot of the same question,
and the paper would basically say,
the budget is unchanged from last year,
from the three months ago,
and then so we went around lots of similar vein
of discussion, so it's more like,
what financial data could we get for each committee
that would actually be useful
and generate a good discussion,
like for instance, a bit more of a deep dive
on waste in the next committee would be,
and that's something that I think we can take offline
and talk about, were there any more comments on this?
That sort of narrowed approach would help officers, I have to say. It would allow us
to field officers. When you have the full load of financial information, we can't so
readily field officers to cover every potential question that comes our way. So with that
narrow focus we can more readily field the correct offices those are actually
dealing with accounts as well as of course Alex Moreland alongside them so
that would help us yeah I did feel bad for mr. Moreland at times when any
question could come this way and he has to deflect all of them were there any
more comments on this okay so just commit committee agrees to note the
report and we'll talk about this more offline great then that concludes the
business of today's meeting, so thank you everyone for your attendance.
See you in November.